From: Scott Voll (svoll.voip@gmail.com)
Date: Mon Nov 26 2007 - 20:03:02 ART
I'm hoping I'm not a the bottom of the heap. I installed and daily
manage my own deployment of CM / Unity / IPCCx / berbee / xmedius /
etc. I have a fairly good understanding of those products. now my
weak points are going to be Unity express, CME, gatekeeper type stuff.
the things I don't deal with or deal with on a regular basis.
I also help my school districts with there deployments so I feel like
I'm not going to be asking a lot about how this or that works.
I'm sure that lab books would be a good way to star with rack time as
I don't have enough to make up a good testing rack.
But thanks to all for the input.
I think my play is going to be practice the lab books and then a month
or so before the test take the boot camp.
Thanks
Scott (newbie) (not .5.... not 1 or 2..... and certianly not 4)
On Nov 26, 2007 2:42 PM, Brian Dennis <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
> We give students the Class-on-Demand version of the bootcamp free of
> charge prior to attending the live class (online or onsite) so that
> they can go through it at their own pace before coming to class. By
> watching the CoD prior to attending it works out really well for the
> student because they come in preloaded with questions ;-). In 5 days
> there is just so much to cover and getting that head start really helps
> ensure you get as much as possible out of those 5 days. We also allow
> reseats on the live onsite and live online versions no matter which
> version you attended first and we've never turned away anyone asking
> for a reseat.
>
> With our 12 day bootcamps we throw in the self-paced E2E free of charge
> just so everyone is up to speed prior to attending. Personally I don't
> want anyone coming to a 12 day class that isn't ready and is why we
> throw in $3000 worth of material free of charge. Students who haven't
> at least watched the IEATC CoD and done 3 or 4 full-scale workbook labs
> are advised to push their bootcamp dates back.
>
> As far as the original question goes sometimes being exposed to
> everything too early isn't always as helpful as it may seem. It's
> important that someone has a solid foundation at a CCIE level prior to
> attending the "bootcamp". This is also the whole reason we offer the
> Advanced Technologies CoDs so that people don't go to a bootcamp
> unprepared. A bootcamp should be attended with you feel you are 80-90%
> of the way there and want to have a really good shot at passing but not
> when you are basically just starting your preparation.
>
> If someone insists on planning to take a bootcamp twice before attending
> the real lab this is what I would recommend. Get a guarantee from the
> training company in writing before purchasing the class that you can get
> the seats on the class dates you want. Most guarantees have fine print
> so don't wait to find out about it when you are 60 days from your lab
> date and they don't have any "reseats" available. Then during the first
> class just sit in the back and listen to the instructor while working on
> the lab material. Because you are a little behind you may need the
> extra lab time during the lectures to keep up. Questions to ask should
> related to how to verify or troubleshoot but not "can you explain how X
> or Y works?". Then before attending the class for the second time lab
> up all of the scenarios again to help improve your speed and load up on
> additional questions for when you get in class. Then during your second
> class sit right up on the front row and start firing out this good
> quality questions like a machine gun ;-) Spend the extra time you have
> during the labs since you should be able to do them quicker than the
> alloted time discussing topics with instructor. If you did this I would
> say you got your money's worth for sure ;-)
>
> Lastly some training companies have resellers and you can sometimes get
> a better deal by going through the reseller or playing the reseller
> against the primary training company ;-) We've seen this happen a
> couple times.
>
>
> HTH,
>
> Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
> bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
>
> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
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> Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
>
>
> >----- Original Message -----
> Subject: RE: game plan for CCIE LAB -Voice
>
> Date: Mon, November 26, 2007 13:01
> From: "Scott Vermillion" <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>
>
> > Well, that's two professional instructors who have come out in favor of
> > going early and going often! So I think it's official that the other other
> > Scott's approach is a wise one.
> >
> > Question: Not having been through a bootcamp yet, are they structured such
> > that someone new to lab prep would not be able to drag down those who are
> > days or weeks away from sitting the lab? I'm guessing so since you guys
> who
> > teach are in favor of this, which is a bit of a surprise to me, honestly...
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Scott Morris [mailto:smorris@ipexpert.com]
> > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 1:55 PM
> > To: 'Scott Vermillion'; 'Scott Voll'; 'Cisco certification'
> > Subject: RE: game plan for CCIE LAB -Voice
> >
> > An interesting view, but look at it a different way....
> >
> > Some companies (at least IPexpert) has a resit policy. Not that I advocate
> > using that, but IF circumstances dictate...
> >
> > Take a bootcamp to absorb information AND to get a week (or two?) away from
> > the office/normal work in order to concentrate on your studies. Take the
> > lab when its coming up. If you still happen to not pass it, retake the
> > bootcamp. You'll gain more from it the second time around anyway, and have
> > a better perspective for which things you need more help on.
> >
> > A lot depends on how much time your company is willing to give in the
> > long-run.
> >
> > HTH,
> >
> >
> > Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
>
> JNCIE-M
> > #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> > CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-ER
> > VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
> > IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
> >
> > A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning Credits!
> >
> > smorris@ipexpert.com
> >
> >
> >
> > Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
> > Fax: +1.810.454.0130
> > http://www.ipexpert.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Scott Vermillion
> > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 2:38 PM
> > To: 'Scott Voll'; 'Cisco certification'
> > Subject: RE: game plan for CCIE LAB -Voice
> >
> > Back July or August, I scheduled my lab for Feb '08. At the time, I
> thought
> > it was a looooong way out. Now I feel like that date is coming at me
> like a
> > freight train!
> >
> > I wouldn't personally waste valuable study time sitting through a bootcamp
> > unless I could really absorb what was being churned out. So if you're
> > pretty strong across the board, go for it. But otherwise don't waste that
> > week or two. Just get started and hope for one shot at the bootcamp and
> > likewise one shot at the lab!
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Scott Voll
> > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 12:02 PM
> > To: Cisco certification
> > Subject: game plan for CCIE LAB -Voice
> >
> > OK--
> >
> > I got my Lab test scheduled for May 30, 2008 (holy cow that's a long ways
> > out).
> >
> > I'm looking at taking the IPExpert bootcamp and they also offer a guarantee
> > that if you don't pass you can retake OR take it again before the test.
> I'm
> > thinking about taking the bootcamp now.......
> > study, study, study, then take the bootcamp again before the test.
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> > Scott
> >
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