From: Gary Duncanson (gary.duncanson@googlemail.com)
Date: Mon Nov 19 2007 - 18:37:58 ART
Nope.
Joe started this thread to say he passed and to thank a few people.
Somewhere along the lines the thread got hijacked about the usual fear about
numbers.
Rgds
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: <M_A_Jones@Dell.com>
To: <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com>; <darklordrouter@gmail.com>
Cc: <joe@affirmedsystems.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 9:32 PM
Subject: RE: CCIE 19366
Ha!
So you mean to tell me the guy who started this got his CCIE,
If that's not oxymoronic!!!!
Nevertheless congrats...It reminds me of the guy in college that's anti
college, who's carrying a 4.0...to funny!!
Michael Jones
Network Engineer
Global Network Operations
Dell Inc. | Information Technology
W. 512.723.3268 | C. 512.966.6908
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Gary Duncanson
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 2:45 PM
To: darth router
Cc: Joseph Brunner; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: CCIE 19366
hehehe yeah flame on..
But I got labs to do!
I still don't think 20000 CCIE's is a lot in the grand scheme of things.
Hell, I remember one time after another long day in the IT biz making a
note to myself that numbers were rising and I better get a move on
before we hit 20000. I made that note in 2001! It's taken six years to
finally get close to that number!
Just before we all forget, the thread was started by Joe who passed his
CCIE.
Congrats again Joe!
----- Original Message -----
From: darth router
To: Gary Duncanson
Cc: Joseph Brunner ; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: CCIE 19366
I don't think the number game is just fear. If there is enough doubt
of paper CCIEs on this board of all places, its out there in the market,
and the real world. The devaluing of the certification is inevitable
over time with mass consumption. I am not saying it will ever be like a
CCNA. That is a bit insane, but less valuable over time depending on how
many of us are flooding the market, you betcha. So why are so many
people passing? Materials, dynamips, brain dumps, ciscos mcdonaldsizing
of the track, etc... I don't think nailing craploads of CCIEs is the
answer either, just being a good engineer is what really matters, right?
Cisco would like us to think we need to nail more CCIEs, or even the
vendors have invested interest in that approach (sorry guys, nothing
personal). It makes them lots of $$$$$$
Flame on...
On 11/19/07, Gary Duncanson <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com> wrote:
Correct. Or has what it takes. Opening up more testing seats does
not
necessarily mean an exponential increase in pass numbers. It just
makes it
easier to schedule a slot and tank the lab.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
To: <subodh.rawat@wipro.com>; < gary.duncanson@googlemail.com>;
<Andrew.Usankin@twtelecom.com>
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 6:43 PM
Subject: RE: CCIE 19366
> Wrong.
>
> Not that many people will commit what it takes.
>
> They just wont
>
> More seats? That's like saying if Mercedes makes more 600 V12
biturbo's
> CL-65's they will just be sold. There has to be demand and
qualified
> "buyers"
>
> -Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
Behalf Of
> subodh.rawat@wipro.com
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 1:03 PM
> To: gary.duncanson@googlemail.com; Andrew.Usankin@twtelecom.com
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE 19366
>
> I think if Cisco makes 200 seats per day, there will be atleast
24000
> CCIEs per year (considering 50% failure) or if failure is 25 %
(which is
> most likely the case in today's scenario) then this figure will be
> atleast 36000 per year.
>
> I am not sure then this club will remain as exclusive as it is
today. I
> think Cisco should not increase seats from what it has capacity
today,
> (there was some noise sometime back that Cisco is going to open
new
> centers; no doubt it will help many people in many ways and I am
no
> exception) if they want to retain CCIE's value intact or else CCIE
is
> next CCNA or CCNP for that matter (definitely it takes atleast
10-12
> months hard core study but today it is still very much possible to
clear
> in first attempt).
>
> But as I said in my earlier post, only knowledge will prevail not
number
> even if we are 1xCCIE or 5xCCIE.
>
> Thanks
> Subodh
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto: nobody@groupstudy.com] On
Behalf Of
> Gary Duncanson
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:01 PM
> To: Usankin, Andrew
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: CCIE 19366
>
> I agree it's a personal thing. For my part I still believe getting
the
> CCIE is a remarkable achievement. People have gone about rising
numbers
> ever since the program took off in the late 1990's. The fact
remains
> that the CCIE is difficult to obtain. There is an intellectual
> requirement to passing this thing but perhaps just as important is
the
> degree of personal commitment and determination it takes to clear
it.
> People's milage will vary depending on freetime available to chase
the
> CCIE but regardless it still remains very difficult to get through
it
> whatever ligitimate resources you have at your disposal. You still
have
> to put the long hours and the hard miles in and that's something
many
> people still come up short on committing to. I know one CCIE who
had the
> best part of a year off work on full pay by his employer to
concentrate
> on preparing for the lab. Labbooks and books were paid for, so was
rack
> access, so were exam fees and flights..even a bootcamp was thrown
in.
> The guy studied hard. It took him 4 attempts to clear it a few
years
> ago.
>
> Literally hundreds of thousands of engineers have failed on the
journey
> to become a CCIE over the years. When you consider that the
program has
> been going 10 years and that less than 20000 CCIE's worldwide have
> cleared the lab so I would say it's still a pretty exclusive club.
>
> Gary
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Usankin, Andrew" < Andrew.Usankin@twtelecom.com>
> To: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:45 PM
> Subject: RE: CCIE 19366
>
>
>> Everybody should decide for himself, but as to me - CCIE is not a
>> remarkable achievement anymore. Take a loot at the number, it
says it
>> all. So if you still want to get to the hall of fame, you should
get
> at
>> least two CCIE, three is better, 5 - is a group of people whom
you can
>> count on your fingers. :)
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
Behalf
> Of
>> Gregory Gombas
>> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 5:47 PM
>> To: A.G. Ananth Sarma (GMail)
>> Cc: Cisco certification
>> Subject: Re: CCIE 19366
>>
>> Me too. I guarantee you it will soon say in job postings "CCIE
with
>> number below 20000 preferred". Cause you know after 20000 the
CCIE is
>> easy :-)
>>
>> On Nov 17, 2007 9:22 AM, A.G. Ananth Sarma (GMail)
>> <ananth.sarma@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Congrats Joseph,
>>>
>>> By the way guys, the number really ticks very fast.
>>>
>>> I would like to catch up before it reaches 20k.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Ananth
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 17, 2007 8:55 AM, darth router <darklordrouter@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Grats Joseph. Whats next?
>>> >
>>> > DR
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 11/16/07, Gregory Gombas <ggombas@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > Congrats Joe! Very well deserved! I could tell from the way
you
>>> > > were banging out configs in our group study session that I
would
>>> > > see your number soon.
>>> > >
>>> > > Security eh...that would be my choice for a second CCIE.
>>> > > How bout I get this pesky R+S lab out of the way and we can
fire
>>> > > up the Security webex!
>>> > >
>>> > > Warmest Regards,
>>> > > Greg
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > On Nov 16, 2007 6:55 AM, Joseph Brunner <
joe@affirmedsystems.com>
>> wrote:
>>> > > > First I want to thank god for all he has given me.
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Second I would like to thank Howard, Bobby (RTP), Tom and
Tong
>>> > > > (SJ)
>>> the
>>> > > > proctors who work so hard to keep the lab running as
smooth as
>>> > > > it
>>> does.
>>> > > You
>>> > > > are gentlemen, and even when I walked out with nothing and
knew
>>> > > > it, I
>>> > > felt
>>> > > > honored to challenge your creation.
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Next I would like to Thank Brian Dennis, Brian McGahan,
Scott
>>> > > > Morris
>>> and
>>> > > > Narbik Kocharians. It's one thing to get your number and
just
>>> > > > sit in
>>> the
>>> > > > corner somewhere. It's a crowning achievement to use it to
help
>>> > > > others
>>> > > share
>>> > > > your achievement. Your participation here was a huge study
>>> > > > motivation
>>> to
>>> > > me.
>>> > > > Narbik I touched your name on the wall in RTP yesterday
before
> I
>>> started
>>> > > and
>>> > > > I knew it was time.
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Got to run, before somebody picks my security blueprint
off the
>>> printer.
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Thanks!
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Joseph L. Brunner
>>> > > >
>>> > > > CCIE #19366
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>>
>
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