From: Scott Morris (smorris@ipexpert.com)
Date: Thu Nov 08 2007 - 21:57:04 ART
Really? And here I thought Michael Purcell (working for Cisco in RTP) was
still the only person with six CCIEs. I thought he was still with Cisco.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: David Prall [mailto:dcp@dcptech.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 5:08 PM
To: 'Scott Morris'; 'Scott Vermillion'; 'darth router'; M_A_Jones@dell.com
Cc: cisconuts@hotmail.com; joe@affirmedsystems.com; pauld@marshallcomm.com;
jlogginsccie@san.rr.com; tom.nohwa@gmail.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, Swiss
That would be awesome. We have a guy with 6, who can go for a 7th. He would
get paid 6 hours of overtime a day with that additional one. I'd only have
to work 2 hours a day, I should start thinking about going for another. Of
course my wife keeps telling me I should keep track of the hours I work,
because I definately work more then 40 a week.
David
-- http://dcp.dcptech.com> -----Original Message----- > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf > Of Scott Morris > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 3:52 PM > To: 'Scott Vermillion'; 'darth router'; M_A_Jones@dell.com > Cc: cisconuts@hotmail.com; joe@affirmedsystems.com; > pauld@marshallcomm.com; jlogginsccie@san.rr.com; tom.nohwa@gmail.com; > ccielab@groupstudy.com > Subject: RE: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, > Swiss > > I like those rules. Can I work with/for you? :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Vermillion [mailto:scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 3:43 PM > To: swm@emanon.com; 'darth router'; M_A_Jones@dell.com > Cc: cisconuts@hotmail.com; joe@affirmedsystems.com; > pauld@marshallcomm.com; jlogginsccie@san.rr.com; tom.nohwa@gmail.com; > ccielab@groupstudy.com > Subject: RE: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, > Swiss > > Yup, it's in and out an hour early for each CCIE earned. So you > should just be sitting at home and checking the mail for your paycheck > every couple of weeks Scott... > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Morris [mailto:swm@emanon.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 1:36 PM > To: 'darth router'; M_A_Jones@dell.com > Cc: cisconuts@hotmail.com; joe@affirmedsystems.com; > scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com; pauld@marshallcomm.com; > jlogginsccie@san.rr.com; tom.nohwa@gmail.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com > Subject: RE: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, > Swiss > > I can come in late and leave early???? DAMN IT. Nobody told me that > part. > > I'm outta here. > > :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf > Of darth router > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 1:32 PM > To: M_A_Jones@dell.com > Cc: cisconuts@hotmail.com; joe@affirmedsystems.com; > scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com; pauld@marshallcomm.com; > jlogginsccie@san.rr.com; tom.nohwa@gmail.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com > Subject: Re: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, > Swiss > > I know a 4xxx CCIE that could not answer basic BGP questions. > Who cares? > Even if most networks use BGP, its simple implementation. > Shit, I worked at > an ISP with a small 25k customers and our BGP was simple. > That 4xxx CCIE had > a hard time doing punch downs. Why? Because he never does it. > He is also one > of the first guys in the northwest to do a massive voice > implementation without Ciscos help. This was back in 2001. The guy is > brilliant, but he cant answer BGP questions worth a shit. I bet he can > hit the Doc CD and figure it out in 2 seconds if he needs to. My point > is, your only as good as what you work with on a regular basis. Good > interviewers know this (I'm not knocking anyone on this thread), and > are not looking for a guy who can answer all of the questions. On top > of that, who knows what was on the CCIE back when those guys took it, > especially with the two day lab. Might have been some simple ass > setups compared to what we face today. > Honestly I did > not have to get in depth on the CAM table, or stupid shit like ARP to > pass the CCIE lab. I am not saying that I don't know those things > work, but reciting seemingly simple things like that verbatim is not > the end all, cure all to being knowledgeable in interviews. > I like everyone else followed the vendor workbooks and did what I have > to do to pass that test. Passing to me involves fully knowing what/how > to study. > Its strategy. If you can pass the lab, you can learn anything. I am > also forgetting much of what I did learn while I studied. Good luck to > any of you trying to retain everything you learned, and regurgitating > it in interviews. > Some very smart people who do, cannot teach. And many who teach cannot > do. > Ever seen any of the netacademy teachers, bootcamps, glabal knowledge > teachers? :P The CCIE to me just means you can come in late, and leave > early. Other than that its a certificate to whipe your ass with, or > for other people to take jabs at ya when you cant answer some basic > question they asked. :) > > On 11/8/07, M_A_Jones@dell.com <M_A_Jones@dell.com> wrote: > > > > Well that being said, I think IQ testing tells a lot about > appitude; > > rather then intelligence. > > > > Remember tests measure preperation, not appitude or > intelligence for > > that matter. > > > > So its quite possibe to have a dumb= (low IQ) CCIE who > passes because > > he was well prepared. > > > > Michael Jones > > Network Engineer > > Global Network Operations > > Dell Inc. > > 512.723.3268 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] > On Behalf > > Of Cisco Nuts > > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 8:48 PM > > To: Joseph Brunner; 'Scott Vermillion'; 'Paul Dardinski'; 'Jesse > > Loggins (CCIE#14661)'; 'tom nohwa'; 'Cisco certification' > > Subject: RE: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, > > Swiss > > > > I am sure not.... > > > > At least from some folks who interviewed with Cisco. > > > > Using an IQ is/has no basis on what a person can do on the > > job...IMHO...!! > > > > Cheers!! > > > > > From: joe@affirmedsystems.com > > > To: scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com; pauld@marshallcomm.com; > > jlogginsccie@san.rr.com; tom.nohwa@gmail.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com > > > Subject: RE: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, > > > Swiss > > > Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:50:22 -0500 > > > > > > I found out today from someone that Cisco gives people IQ Tests > > > before > > > > > offering employment... > > > > > > Can anyone confirm this? and for what position? > > > > > > Maybe we can let brains settle it... > > > > > > Would you want a guy with a 99 IQ who knows what a > console port is > > > and > > > > > Config-register 0x2142 > > > > > > Or a guy with a newly minted CCIE and a 164 IQ (sure some guy in > > > India > > > > > Has both as I'm writing this) > > > > > > -joe > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf > > > Of Scott Vermillion > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 1:47 PM > > > To: 'Paul Dardinski'; 'Jesse Loggins (CCIE#14661)'; 'tom nohwa'; > > > 'Cisco certification' > > > Subject: RE: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, > > > Swiss > > > > > > Hey Paul, > > > > > > I have to agree with your closing paragraph; if I have my hiring > > > manager > > hat > > > on and a CCIE with minimal work history came before me, he would > > > still > > > > > only be considered for an entry-level position (granted, > his salary > > > offer would be at the top of whatever that entry-level range was). > > > I would offer a fast-track career progression provided his > > > performance showed the > > real-world > > > stuff was within the candidates grasp (it simply isn't for some > > > folks, > > > > > no matter what cert they may hold) and was taking hold. > > > > > > But don't willy-nilly single out Dynamips. Is a > candidate who uses > > > rack rentals in any different a situation? Frankly, I > consider it > > > to be a reasonable assumption that if someone can successfully > > > navigate the lab, they can figure out how to cable stuff up pretty > quickly. > > > Again, though, > > if > > > that's something a CCIE needs to learn, then they can > expect to only > > receive > > > an offer of an entry-level position. It's an expert > certification > > > and > > > > > non-experts who obtain it need to understand they have > dues yet to > > > be paid outside of the lab. It aint no short-cut as far as I'm > > concerned... > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf > > > Of > > Paul > > > Dardinski > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 9:25 AM > > > To: Jesse Loggins (CCIE#14661); tom nohwa; Cisco certification > > > Subject: RE: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, > > > Swiss > > > > > > In the end it is inconceivable that a ccie (no matter what era) > > > can't tell you how a cam table is populated. Alternatively, with > > > the advent > > > > > of dynamips, etc, I guess the era of actually having to cable up > > > equipment is also mostly over. The cert unfortunately is > going to be > > > in jeopardy over time as any barrier to entry falls away and it > > > becomes just another lab exercise vs really becoming a > true expert > > > in the underlying technologies. I assume that over time > Cisco will > > > respond with an increasing level of equipment and > interconnections > > > of technology to overcome some of this. > > > > > > As to CCIE's with <1year experience etc....shame on the > company that > > > expects a whole lot. Certainly they have to understand the guy > > > wouldn't be worth much compared to a more seasoned individual and > > > compensation surely would/should reflect that. > > > > > > PD (#16842) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf > > > Of Jesse Loggins (CCIE#14661) > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 5:08 PM > > > To: tom nohwa; Cisco certification > > > Subject: Re: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, > > > Swiss > > > > > > As a CCIE who has the responsibility of interviewing other CCIE's > > > here > > > > > is my take. One of the things that I have run across > allot lately, > > > are > > > > > CCIE's with no practical experience. In my opinion this is partly > > > because Lab Prep material is so prevalent and easily > attainable. I > > > have come across many CCIE's that could not tell me how to > > > physically connect to a router to configure it. That is > they had no > > > idea what the > > > > > console port is. Another one is not knowing how to > upgrade the IOS > > > on a router. Also it is amazing how many CCIE's don't > understand IP, > > > as in how things work. For instance one of my interview > questions it > > > to ask a CCIE candidate to explain to me how traceroute works. Or > > > another > > > > > is to explain the significance of MTU in a real world > network. Most > > > of the time I get an incorrect response. Why do I ask > these questions? > > > > > Because to me it shows how much real world experience a > > > > > > candidate has. In my opinion a CCIE candidate should have > at least 2 > > > to > > > 5 > > > years of experience before pursuing a CCIE. They should also work > > > there way from CCNA to CCNP and then to CCIE, learning the > > > technologies as they go > > > > > > (not just using test prep material). Reading all of the > books in the > > > suggested CCIE reading list for your specific track is > also another > > > thing that I would suggest. And it never hurts to read > through the > > > RFC's (in my opinion as a CCIE your should do this no > questions). I > > > say this all to suggest that the interviewer that asked you these > > > questions may have had the same purpose in mind. In my > opinion the > > > number of inexperienced CCIE's on the market right now are really > > > hurting the credibility of our coveted certification. > That seems to > > > be > > > > > the reason why many of us are starting to pursue multiple > CCIE's to > > > distinguish ourselves. In the past multi-CCIE's where > rare, but now > > > they seem to have become a necessary thing. I say this as > I prepare > > > to > > > > > take the Service Provider CCIE lab in a few days. > > > > > > As a side note I asked the last CCIE that I interviewed (he was a > > > recently cert'd CCIE) to explain to me how the mac-address-table > > > (CAM table for you old salty CCIE's :-) ) on a switch is > populated. > > > His response (this came > > > > > > after numerous questions he could no answer) was "Dude > have you been > > > studying lately?", I laughed and told him Thanks for his time. > > > > > > > > > Jesse Loggins > > > CCIE #14661 (R&S) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "tom nohwa" <tom.nohwa@gmail.com> > > > To: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com> > > > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 4:34 AM > > > Subject: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by > Sunrise, Swiss > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > This is to explain you my job search experience > happened in Swiss > > > after > > > > acquiring my CCIE. I am not sure how many of you have > come across > > > similar > > > > situation. > > > > > > > > I started my CCIE journey in the beginning of last year > and passed > > > > the > > > lab > > > > a > > > > few months ago. Later, I started contacting the ISPs, most of > > > > them > > > never > > > > responded. I got an interview from one ISP which is the second > > > largest > > > > ISP > > > > (Sunrise) in Swiss. During the interview, they did not ask any > > > > tech > > > > > > questions, instead they asked whether I would be *able to lift > > > > the > > > router > > > > and fix it in the rack.* I was astonished to hear this > question, > > > > but > > > I > > > > said > > > > I would do it during the emergency situation. Then, I > was asked to > > > wait > > > > for few weeks. Few weeks later, I got the response > that my French > > > skill > > > > was very poor. > > > > > > > > I have now the following questions to my fellow experts: > > > > > > > > 1. I have seen only the English version of Cisco IOS. Do you > > > > know > > > any > > > > French version? > > > > 2. Having 10+ years experience in networking and > holding a degree > > > > in networking from the world famous university, I was > never asked > > > > to > > > answer > > > > any > > > > tech question. Instead, question like lifting the router and > > > > fixing > > > it in > > > > the rack, always irritate me. Is this type of question > asked to > > > > irritate/insult the CCIE? > > > > 3. Is it normal that companies don't respond to an CCIE's job > > > > applications (of course my nationality is mentioned in my CV)? > > > > > > > > Please let me know your comments as I hear that CCIEs are highly > > > respected > > > > everywhere. > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > Joe. > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > __ > > > _ > > > > Subscription information may be found at: > > > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.22/1111 - > Release Date: > > > > 11/5/2007 4:36 AM > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > __ _ Subscription information may be found at: > > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > __ _ Subscription information may be found at: > > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > __ _ Subscription information may be found at: > > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > __ _ Subscription information may be found at: > > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Cafi. > > Stop by today. > > > http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM > > _O > > ctWLt > > agline > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > _ Subscription information may be found at: > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > _ Subscription information may be found at: > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > _________ > Subscription information may be found at: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > _________ > Subscription information may be found at: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
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