From: M_A_Jones@Dell.com
Date: Wed Nov 07 2007 - 17:07:42 ART
In all due respect, I find it hard to believe, they're are CCIE's out
there who don't know the afformetioned.
I think this is more of the " I met a ccnp who dosent know anything
syndrome". Am I saying that people who have cheated might not know these
things ? Of course! But I find it hard to believe a CCIE who takes
several months to train and study for CCIE " The right way" ie Workbooks
and Classes, wouldn't know what a cam table is.. I refuse to believe
that!
IMHO.
Michael Jones
Network Engineer
Global Network Operations
Dell Inc.
512.723.3268
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From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Usankin, Andrew
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 10:55 AM
To: Cisco certification
Subject: RE: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, Swiss
Well, that is a scary news if all you say is true. I didn't know that
there are guys with no knowledge of cam-table operation who has CCIE.
But, honestly, I already feel myself as an "old dog". Just from my
recent experience in one study group where I participate with Greg
Gombas and others. I'm not saying that working through Nabriks notes is
good or is bad, it's just something I wouldn't come up to. My "old ways"
are to work through DocCD mostly, to build my own notes and labs and
have fun with it. Eventually I refer back to books if I didn't get some
concept. Hell, I'm not even sure if I'll have time even for a single lab
from any workbooks available today.
Andrew
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From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Jesse Loggins (CCIE#14661)
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:08 PM
To: tom nohwa; Cisco certification
Subject: Re: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, Swiss
As a CCIE who has the responsibility of interviewing other CCIE's here
is my take. One of the things that I have run across allot lately, are
CCIE's with no practical experience. In my opinion this is partly
because Lab Prep material is so prevalent and easily attainable. I have
come across many CCIE's that could not tell me how to physically connect
to a router to configure it. That is they had no idea what the console
port is. Another one is not knowing how to upgrade the IOS on a router.
Also it is amazing how many CCIE's don't understand IP, as in how things
work. For instance one of my interview questions it to ask a CCIE
candidate to explain to me how traceroute works. Or another is to
explain the significance of MTU in a real world network. Most of the
time I get an incorrect response. Why do I ask these questions? Because
to me it shows how much real world experience a candidate has. In my
opinion a CCIE candidate should have at least 2 to 5 years of experience
before pursuing a CCIE. They should also work there way from CCNA to
CCNP and then to CCIE, learning the technologies as they go (not just
using test prep material). Reading all of the books in the suggested
CCIE reading list for your specific track is also another thing that I
would suggest. And it never hurts to read through the RFC's (in my
opinion as a CCIE your should do this no questions). I say this all to
suggest that the interviewer that asked you these questions may have had
the same purpose in mind. In my opinion the number of inexperienced
CCIE's on the market right now are really hurting the credibility of our
coveted certification. That seems to be the reason why many of us are
starting to pursue multiple CCIE's to distinguish ourselves. In the past
multi-CCIE's where rare, but now they seem to have become a necessary
thing. I say this as I prepare to take the Service Provider CCIE lab in
a few days.
As a side note I asked the last CCIE that I interviewed (he was a
recently cert'd CCIE) to explain to me how the mac-address-table (CAM
table for you old salty CCIE's :-) ) on a switch is populated. His
response (this came after numerous questions he could no answer) was
"Dude have you been studying lately?", I laughed and told him Thanks for
his time.
Jesse Loggins
CCIE #14661 (R&S)
----- Original Message -----
From: "tom nohwa" <tom.nohwa@gmail.com>
To: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 4:34 AM
Subject: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, Swiss
> Hi all,
>
> This is to explain you my job search experience happened in Swiss
after
> acquiring my CCIE. I am not sure how many of you have come across
similar
> situation.
>
> I started my CCIE journey in the beginning of last year and passed the
lab
> a
> few months ago. Later, I started contacting the ISPs, most of them
never
> responded. I got an interview from one ISP which is the second
largest
> ISP
> (Sunrise) in Swiss. During the interview, they did not ask any tech
> questions, instead they asked whether I would be *able to lift the
router
> and fix it in the rack.* I was astonished to hear this question, but
I
> said
> I would do it during the emergency situation. Then, I was asked to
wait
> for few weeks. Few weeks later, I got the response that my French
skill
> was very poor.
>
> I have now the following questions to my fellow experts:
>
> 1. I have seen only the English version of Cisco IOS. Do you know
any
> French version?
> 2. Having 10+ years experience in networking and holding a degree in
> networking from the world famous university, I was never asked to
answer
> any
> tech question. Instead, question like lifting the router and fixing
it in
> the rack, always irritate me. Is this type of question asked to
> irritate/insult the CCIE?
> 3. Is it normal that companies don't respond to an CCIE's job
> applications (of course my nationality is mentioned in my CV)?
>
> Please let me know your comments as I hear that CCIEs are highly
respected
> everywhere.
>
> Best,
> Joe.
>
>
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