From: Jesse Loggins \(CCIE#14661\) (jlogginsccie@san.rr.com)
Date: Wed Nov 07 2007 - 17:10:08 ART
Amir unfortunately in my opinion there is a small flaw in the lab process. I
don't think it's one that is easily resolved without making the
certification process tedious and drawn out.
I too was shocked as you are when in the past I worked with a 3 x CCIE who
caused numerous outages because he did not understand the significance of
things such as the OSPF Database, protocol timers, what would happen to
traffic if you cleared a NAT table, etc. One thing is for sure though this
guy had a great capacity to memorize things. I watched him Cert MCSE in 3
days. But the outages that he caused was a direct result of his lack of
experience in real world environments, or as I like to call it "seeing how
protocols react in the wild". One thing to keep in mind as you go through
your studies. What you see in the lab is a totally different animal when you
introduce user traffic and real world applications. And it is this, that
most of the individuals that I was speaking of lacked. And in my opinion it
is this experience that one should have before one attempts a CCIE.
I'll step off of my soap box now...... :-)
Jesse Loggins
CCIE #14661(R&S)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Amir.Tahir/Wateen/Lahore" <Amir.Tahir@wateen.com>
To: "Jesse Loggins (CCIE#14661)" <jlogginsccie@san.rr.com>
Cc: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 1:48 AM
Subject: RE: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, Swiss
Dear Jesse,
You gave us a shock. I am preparing R&S CCIE and when I came across such
e-mail I could not convenience myself that a person lacking basic
knowledge could pass CCIE LAB. If he himself study & prepare for it
Still can't answer myself why they became CCIE.... if they could not
even resolve basic things and who will hire them.....
______________
Amir Tahir
Zonal Manager
Service Delivery & Support
Engineering Division
4th Floor, New Auriga Complex,
Main Boulevard, Gulberg, Lahore, Pakistan
Mob: +92-322-4002647
Email: amir.tahir@wateen.com
Website: www.wateen.com
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Jesse Loggins (CCIE#14661)
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:08 AM
To: tom nohwa; Cisco certification
Subject: Re: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, Swiss
As a CCIE who has the responsibility of interviewing other CCIE's here
is my
take. One of the things that I have run across allot lately, are CCIE's
with
no practical experience. In my opinion this is partly because Lab Prep
material is so prevalent and easily attainable. I have come across many
CCIE's that could not tell me how to physically connect to a router to
configure it. That is they had no idea what the console port is. Another
one
is not knowing how to upgrade the IOS on a router. Also it is amazing
how
many CCIE's don't understand IP, as in how things work. For instance one
of
my interview questions it to ask a CCIE candidate to explain to me how
traceroute works. Or another is to explain the significance of MTU in a
real
world network. Most of the time I get an incorrect response. Why do I
ask
these questions? Because to me it shows how much real world experience a
candidate has. In my opinion a CCIE candidate should have at least 2 to
5
years of experience before pursuing a CCIE. They should also work there
way
from CCNA to CCNP and then to CCIE, learning the technologies as they go
(not just using test prep material). Reading all of the books in the
suggested CCIE reading list for your specific track is also another
thing
that I would suggest. And it never hurts to read through the RFC's (in
my
opinion as a CCIE your should do this no questions). I say this all to
suggest that the interviewer that asked you these questions may have had
the
same purpose in mind. In my opinion the number of inexperienced CCIE's
on
the market right now are really hurting the credibility of our coveted
certification. That seems to be the reason why many of us are starting
to
pursue multiple CCIE's to distinguish ourselves. In the past
multi-CCIE's
where rare, but now they seem to have become a necessary thing. I say
this
as I prepare to take the Service Provider CCIE lab in a few days.
As a side note I asked the last CCIE that I interviewed (he was a
recently
cert'd CCIE) to explain to me how the mac-address-table (CAM table for
you
old salty CCIE's :-) ) on a switch is populated. His response (this came
after numerous questions he could no answer) was "Dude have you been
studying lately?", I laughed and told him Thanks for his time.
Jesse Loggins
CCIE #14661 (R&S)
----- Original Message -----
From: "tom nohwa" <tom.nohwa@gmail.com>
To: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 4:34 AM
Subject: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, Swiss
> Hi all,
>
> This is to explain you my job search experience happened in Swiss
after
> acquiring my CCIE. I am not sure how many of you have come across
similar
> situation.
>
> I started my CCIE journey in the beginning of last year and passed the
lab
> a
> few months ago. Later, I started contacting the ISPs, most of them
never
> responded. I got an interview from one ISP which is the second
largest
> ISP
> (Sunrise) in Swiss. During the interview, they did not ask any tech
> questions, instead they asked whether I would be *able to lift the
router
> and fix it in the rack.* I was astonished to hear this question, but
I
> said
> I would do it during the emergency situation. Then, I was asked to
wait
> for few weeks. Few weeks later, I got the response that my French
skill
> was very poor.
>
> I have now the following questions to my fellow experts:
>
> 1. I have seen only the English version of Cisco IOS. Do you know
any
> French version?
> 2. Having 10+ years experience in networking and holding a degree in
> networking from the world famous university, I was never asked to
answer
> any
> tech question. Instead, question like lifting the router and fixing
it in
> the rack, always irritate me. Is this type of question asked to
> irritate/insult the CCIE?
> 3. Is it normal that companies don't respond to an CCIE's job
> applications
> (of course my nationality is mentioned in my CV)?
>
> Please let me know your comments as I hear that CCIEs are highly
respected
> everywhere.
>
> Best,
> Joe.
>
>
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