From: Digital Yemeni (digital.yemeni@gmail.com)
Date: Wed Nov 07 2007 - 17:06:19 ART
now it's time for cisco to make a new cert named CCLE, L for lifting! :)
On 11/7/07, Usankin, Andrew <Andrew.Usankin@twtelecom.com> wrote:
>
> Well, that is a scary news if all you say is true. I didn't know that
> there are guys with no knowledge of cam-table operation who has CCIE.
> But, honestly, I already feel myself as an "old dog". Just from my
> recent experience in one study group where I participate with Greg
> Gombas and others. I'm not saying that working through Nabriks notes is
> good or is bad, it's just something I wouldn't come up to. My "old ways"
> are to work through DocCD mostly, to build my own notes and labs and
> have fun with it. Eventually I refer back to books if I didn't get some
> concept. Hell, I'm not even sure if I'll have time even for a single lab
> from any workbooks available today.
>
> Andrew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Jesse Loggins (CCIE#14661)
> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:08 PM
> To: tom nohwa; Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, Swiss
>
> As a CCIE who has the responsibility of interviewing other CCIE's here
> is my take. One of the things that I have run across allot lately, are
> CCIE's with no practical experience. In my opinion this is partly
> because Lab Prep material is so prevalent and easily attainable. I have
> come across many CCIE's that could not tell me how to physically connect
> to a router to configure it. That is they had no idea what the console
> port is. Another one is not knowing how to upgrade the IOS on a router.
> Also it is amazing how many CCIE's don't understand IP, as in how things
> work. For instance one of my interview questions it to ask a CCIE
> candidate to explain to me how traceroute works. Or another is to
> explain the significance of MTU in a real world network. Most of the
> time I get an incorrect response. Why do I ask these questions? Because
> to me it shows how much real world experience a candidate has. In my
> opinion a CCIE candidate should have at least 2 to 5 years of experience
> before pursuing a CCIE. They should also work there way from CCNA to
> CCNP and then to CCIE, learning the technologies as they go (not just
> using test prep material). Reading all of the books in the suggested
> CCIE reading list for your specific track is also another thing that I
> would suggest. And it never hurts to read through the RFC's (in my
> opinion as a CCIE your should do this no questions). I say this all to
> suggest that the interviewer that asked you these questions may have had
> the same purpose in mind. In my opinion the number of inexperienced
> CCIE's on the market right now are really hurting the credibility of our
> coveted certification. That seems to be the reason why many of us are
> starting to pursue multiple CCIE's to distinguish ourselves. In the past
> multi-CCIE's where rare, but now they seem to have become a necessary
> thing. I say this as I prepare to take the Service Provider CCIE lab in
> a few days.
>
> As a side note I asked the last CCIE that I interviewed (he was a
> recently cert'd CCIE) to explain to me how the mac-address-table (CAM
> table for you old salty CCIE's :-) ) on a switch is populated. His
> response (this came after numerous questions he could no answer) was
> "Dude have you been studying lately?", I laughed and told him Thanks for
> his time.
>
>
> Jesse Loggins
> CCIE #14661 (R&S)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "tom nohwa" <tom.nohwa@gmail.com>
> To: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 4:34 AM
> Subject: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, Swiss
>
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > This is to explain you my job search experience happened in Swiss
> after
> > acquiring my CCIE. I am not sure how many of you have come across
> similar
> > situation.
> >
> > I started my CCIE journey in the beginning of last year and passed the
> lab
> > a
> > few months ago. Later, I started contacting the ISPs, most of them
> never
> > responded. I got an interview from one ISP which is the second
> largest
> > ISP
> > (Sunrise) in Swiss. During the interview, they did not ask any tech
> > questions, instead they asked whether I would be *able to lift the
> router
> > and fix it in the rack.* I was astonished to hear this question, but
> I
> > said
> > I would do it during the emergency situation. Then, I was asked to
> wait
> > for few weeks. Few weeks later, I got the response that my French
> skill
> > was very poor.
> >
> > I have now the following questions to my fellow experts:
> >
> > 1. I have seen only the English version of Cisco IOS. Do you know
> any
> > French version?
> > 2. Having 10+ years experience in networking and holding a degree in
> > networking from the world famous university, I was never asked to
> answer
> > any
> > tech question. Instead, question like lifting the router and fixing
> it in
> > the rack, always irritate me. Is this type of question asked to
> > irritate/insult the CCIE?
> > 3. Is it normal that companies don't respond to an CCIE's job
> > applications
> > (of course my nationality is mentioned in my CV)?
> >
> > Please let me know your comments as I hear that CCIEs are highly
> respected
> > everywhere.
> >
> > Best,
> > Joe.
> >
> >
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