From: Joseph Brunner (joe@affirmedsystems.com)
Date: Fri Oct 19 2007 - 23:50:44 ART
I did all Brian's labs. They are all very very good. While many (including
"Evil" Scott Morris & Narbik) also have great workbooks. What I can tell
you, is the real lab is not as concrete on what they are after. the IEWB
labs are like
Difficulty : 7|8|9|10 etc.
Well the real lab is difficulty 21
The wording in the real lab is far more ambiguous, far easier to go the
wrong way (and have to recover later) even if you "read the whole section
before configuring anything in that section", etc.so its not a technologies
test, that would be easy. its an interpret the question test.
Non NDA example of a Brian Lab vs the real thing (IMH 3 attempts):
Brian (difficulty 10): walk up the stairs. Carry a Pilates Ball with a 45
pound weight plate balanced on top of the ball. Do not drop the weight
plate. Do not open your eyes until the 4th step. Close your eyes again on
the 8th step. (hard but doable, as we know our objectives)
CCIE Lab: You can find anything you're looking for on this level of the
house. Take something somewhere, someway in one trip which will leave 3 less
things on this level of the house after this single trip. The level of the
house you're taking something to can't be lower than your current one. (wow
does three things mean me as one of them?)
Got it?
I'm convinced Brian is pretty damn smart, but I'm not a slouch either. I get
like 30/30 on mensa puzzles, iq tests, etc. I solved the Einstein
house,pet,drink puzzle in 10 minutes, 1 hour faster than 2 russian math
grads!!! (with no math background)
The CCIE requires more than sheer intelligence. It requires experience, and
gumshoe abilities, based on your knowledge of IOS.
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From: Jonny English [mailto:redkidneybeans@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 10:14 PM
To: Muhammad Nasim
Cc: Brian Dennis; Joseph Brunner; Gregory Gombas; Ananth Vk;
ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Lab Query
Doesn't seem to work this way anymore. Technical interviews have put a stop
to just hiring people just because they have a certification.
I rather learn the hard way and be able to answer what is given to me in an
interview. Doing 6 labs over and over again to me just seems to good to be
true. And its hard to believe you can learn everything in the blueprint from
6 labs. I could be wrong, can someone tell me if those 6 labs 1, 7,8,9,10,
and 11 from IEWBv4 cover the whole blueprint?
thanks
On 10/20/07, Muhammad Nasim <muhammad.nasim@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Jonny,
Anyone can pass the lab by reading DOC-CD and also by creating its own lab
topologies BUT the thing is that who wants to put that much effort because
this will approach (with out any vendor Workbook(s)) will take longer time
then following the approach designed by the vendor.
To be honest with you CCIE is a fast money people want to become CCIE as
soon as possible so they can earn good money and aslo self satisfaction.
Thanks
On 10/20/07, Jonny English <redkidneybeans@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Brian.
Do those five or six labs cover the blueprint?
Shouldn't we first learn everything of the blueprint using the DocCD and
books and then do those 6 labs over and over again?
Any advice?
Thank you
On 10/20/07, Brian Dennis <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
>
> I passed all of my labs without doing a single full scale lab so how come
> someone today can't pass the lab doing five or six full scale labs five
> times each?
>
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> >----- Original Message -----
> Subject: RE: Lab Query
> Date: Fri, October 19, 2007 11:04
> From: "Joseph Brunner" < <mailto:joe@affirmedsystems.com>
joe@affirmedsystems.com >
>
> > I can't believe people pass with just doing 4 or 5 labs 4 or 5 times...
> >
> > I personally have seen several non-IE WB related topologies in the real
> lab.
> > Doing ALL 20 IE WB labs once, gave me those points from adaptation. My
> > scores thus far are 68, 72 and now 74-77 points in the real lab.
> Bummer...
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com <mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com>
[mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Gregory Gombas
> > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 11:32 AM
> > To: Brian Dennis
> > Cc: Ananth Vk; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: Lab Query
> >
> > Hi Brian,
> >
> > Big IE fan here...but wouldn't doing the same labs over and over again
> > just get you used to a certain topology, so when you come across a new
> > topology in the lab it makes it harder to adapt?
> >
> > Looking forward to your top five picks though...
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Greg
> >
> > On 10/18/07, Brian Dennis < <mailto:bdennis@internetworkexpert.com>
bdennis@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
> > > If I personally was going to take a test and I saw a lot of people
> saying
> > > they used a certain "method" to prepare that enabled them to pass the
> > > first time around I surely would at least look into using that
> "method".
> > > Of course we know that not all methods work for all people so I may
> take
> > > this certain method and modify it to fit my learning style.
> > >
> > > As a side note a new highly successful approach that we (Internetwork
> > > Expert) are recommending to certain candidates is taking only 5 or 6
> full
> > > scale labs but doing them 4 or 5 times each. Then during the last
> week or
> > > two before the real lab taking 2 or 3 additional full scale labs and
> doing
> > > them once or twice each. This approach should get you to the point
> where
> > > you can do any of the 5 or 6 labs within 4 hours and be able to
> complete
> > > the additional 2 or 3 labs within 5 to 5.5 hours. You would be amazed
> at
> > > the amount you can learn by doing a lab more than once. Plus one of
> the
> > > big benefits with this approach is that you gain speed and accuracy
> > > (accuracy = correct configuration the first time around) which is
> > > important in passing the lab.
> > >
> > > Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
> > > bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
> > >
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> > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > Subject: Lab Query
> > > Date: Wed, October 17, 2007 19:03
> > > From: "Ananth Vk" < ananth.vk@tcs.com <mailto:ananth.vk@tcs.com> >
> > >
> > > > Hi
> > > >
> > > > There are a lot of practice labs available for the lab from
> different
> > > > vendors..
> > > > Lets say i have practiced 10 labs that are complex &amp; say im
> > > confident,then
> > > > how to determine if my 11th one has to be the real lab / another
> > practice
> > > > lab
> > > >
> > > > Whats the main take away with the practice labs ?
> > > > Is it the practice in number of practice labs/ complexity in
> topology/
> > > > types of questions asked ?
> > > > Cos i sometimes read that a person passed lab in first attempt
> &amp; he
> > > read
> > > > books + a specific vendor material....
> > > > Then whats the differentiator in the real lab that puts many people
> down
> > > > though they had many workbooks to practice with them ?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Ananth
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