From: Scott Morris (smorris@ipexpert.com)
Date: Sat Oct 20 2007 - 00:35:16 ART
I don't think it has anything to do with raw intelligence at all. Those of
us who passed without workbooks are just "early adopters". :)
Aside from that though, it's all about process. And we were just required
to come up with our own processes in order to try to outsmart the CCIE lab.
Back in Brian's day, all he had to do was plug things in correctly and he
passed. (j/k) :)
In any event, I think the point is that there is no magic method as far as
"these labs" whether that be 4 labs, 8 labs or 42 of them. The number of
labs is simply exposure to different topics/concepts. The ones you do for
repetition and HOW you do them will make things stick.
Try writing your own "evil" lab. Even just a single one. The cool part is
that most people suck the first time at making a lab. By that, I mean they
have tendencies to create some technically impossible scenarios just because
it sounds cool while writing it! (Did I mention that the hard part is
actually solving your own lab?)
But the process of proving/disproving why things should or should not work
is really the important part. THAT is the part that will test your
knowledge and enforce the repetition.
Process, proceess, process.
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-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Ed
Lui
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 9:28 PM
To: Brian Dennis
Cc: Joseph Brunner; Gregory Gombas; Ananth Vk; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Lab Query
Hi Brian,
I have been thinking about that. But I still don't get an acceptable answer
other than you and those like you who passed the lab without workbook are
more intelligent than most of us. Are you willing to give us 2 cents or
more.
Cheers,
Ed
On 10/19/07, Brian Dennis <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
>
> I passed all of my labs without doing a single full scale lab so how
> come someone today can't pass the lab doing five or six full scale
> labs five times each?
>
> Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
> bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
>
> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
>
>
> >----- Original Message -----
> Subject: RE: Lab Query
> Date: Fri, October 19, 2007 11:04
> From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
>
> > I can't believe people pass with just doing 4 or 5 labs 4 or 5 times...
> >
> > I personally have seen several non-IE WB related topologies in the
> > real
> lab.
> > Doing ALL 20 IE WB labs once, gave me those points from adaptation.
> > My scores thus far are 68, 72 and now 74-77 points in the real lab.
> Bummer...
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > Of Gregory Gombas
> > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 11:32 AM
> > To: Brian Dennis
> > Cc: Ananth Vk; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: Lab Query
> >
> > Hi Brian,
> >
> > Big IE fan here...but wouldn't doing the same labs over and over
> > again just get you used to a certain topology, so when you come
> > across a new topology in the lab it makes it harder to adapt?
> >
> > Looking forward to your top five picks though...
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Greg
> >
> > On 10/18/07, Brian Dennis <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
> > > If I personally was going to take a test and I saw a lot of people
> saying
> > > they used a certain "method" to prepare that enabled them to pass
> > > the first time around I surely would at least look into using that
> "method".
> > > Of course we know that not all methods work for all people so I
> > > may
> take
> > > this certain method and modify it to fit my learning style.
> > >
> > > As a side note a new highly successful approach that we
> > > (Internetwork
> > > Expert) are recommending to certain candidates is taking only 5 or
> > > 6
> full
> > > scale labs but doing them 4 or 5 times each. Then during the last
> week or
> > > two before the real lab taking 2 or 3 additional full scale labs
> > > and
> doing
> > > them once or twice each. This approach should get you to the
> > > point
> where
> > > you can do any of the 5 or 6 labs within 4 hours and be able to
> complete
> > > the additional 2 or 3 labs within 5 to 5.5 hours. You would be
> > > amazed
> at
> > > the amount you can learn by doing a lab more than once. Plus one
> > > of
> the
> > > big benefits with this approach is that you gain speed and
> > > accuracy (accuracy = correct configuration the first time around)
> > > which is important in passing the lab.
> > >
> > > Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
> > > bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
> > >
> > > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> > > Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
> > >
> > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > Subject: Lab Query
> > > Date: Wed, October 17, 2007 19:03
> > > From: "Ananth Vk" <ananth.vk@tcs.com>
> > >
> > > > Hi
> > > >
> > > > There are a lot of practice labs available for the lab from
> different
> > > > vendors..
> > > > Lets say i have practiced 10 labs that are complex &amp; say
> > > > im
> > > confident,then
> > > > how to determine if my 11th one has to be the real lab / another
> > practice
> > > > lab
> > > >
> > > > Whats the main take away with the practice labs ?
> > > > Is it the practice in number of practice labs/ complexity in
> topology/
> > > > types of questions asked ?
> > > > Cos i sometimes read that a person passed lab in first attempt
> &amp; he
> > > read
> > > > books + a specific vendor material....
> > > > Then whats the differentiator in the real lab that puts many
> > > > people
> down
> > > > though they had many workbooks to practice with them ?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Ananth
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