From: Darby Weaver (darbyweaver@yahoo.com)
Date: Sat Oct 20 2007 - 01:17:01 ART
Brian has a point. I know I myself did a lot of labs
just trying to get the labs done to say I did them
(graded/un-graded, etc.).
After getting through that phase... and real labs
associated with it.
I started focusing on do one lab the wax-on and
wax-off style and I noticed that I missed the "why"
behind some of the task solutiions.
By doing the labs repeatedly I find myself homing in
on very subtle issues, that I missed in my rush.
And I mean I read them again and again as well as
trying to lab them up and after a while you begin to
notice more and more things...
Some of these things for me... were things I never
really got all along. Sure I could pop a config, but
not always knowing why. I expect I'll be wiser for
using this technique a little more thoroughly.
--- Brian Dennis <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com>
wrote:
> Yes that's the idea.
>
> I think that people are reading this as if I'm
> saying this is the only
> preparation needed. What I'm saying is that after
> you have a solid
> understanding of the blueprint topics and are ready
> to move onto the full
> scale labs that doing 30 full scale labs by
> repeating the same 6 labs 5
> times each is better for some people than doing 30
> totally different full
> scale labs.
>
> Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
> bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
>
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>
>
> >----- Original Message -----
> Subject: Re: Lab Query
> Date: Fri, October 19, 2007 17:47
> From: "Jonny English" <redkidneybeans@gmail.com>
>
> > Hi Brian.
> >
> > Do those five or six labs cover the blueprint?
> >
> > Shouldn't we first learn everything of the
> blueprint using the DocCD and
> > books and then do those 6 labs over and over
> again?
> >
> > Any advice?
> >
> > Thank you
> >
> > On 10/20/07, Brian Dennis
> bdennis@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I passed all of my labs without doing a single
> full scale lab so how come
> > > someone today can't pass the lab doing five or
> six full scale labs five
> > > times each?
> > >
> > > Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210
> (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
> > > bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
> > >
> > > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> > > Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
> > >
> > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > Subject: RE: Lab Query
> > > Date: Fri, October 19, 2007 11:04
> > > From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> > >
> > > > I can't believe people pass with just doing 4
> or 5 labs 4 or 5 times...
> > > >
> > > > I personally have seen several non-IE WB
> related topologies in the real
> > > lab.
> > > > Doing ALL 20 IE WB labs once, gave me those
> points from adaptation. My
> > > > scores thus far are 68, 72 and now 74-77
> points in the real lab.
> > > Bummer...
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Gregory Gombas
> > > > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 11:32 AM
> > > > To: Brian Dennis
> > > > Cc: Ananth Vk; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > Subject: Re: Lab Query
> > > >
> > > > Hi Brian,
> > > >
> > > > Big IE fan here...but wouldn't doing the same
> labs over and over again
> > > > just get you used to a certain topology, so
> when you come across a new
> > > > topology in the lab it makes it harder to
> adapt?
> > > >
> > > > Looking forward to your top five picks
> though...
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Greg
> > > >
> > > > On 10/18/07, Brian Dennis
> <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
> > > > > If I personally was going to take a test and
> I saw a lot of people
> > > saying
> > > > > they used a certain "method" to prepare that
> enabled them to pass the
> > > > > first time around I surely would at least
> look into using that
> > > "method".
> > > > > Of course we know that not all methods work
> for all people so I may
> > > take
> > > > > this certain method and modify it to fit my
> learning style.
> > > > >
> > > > > As a side note a new highly successful
> approach that we (Internetwork
> > > > > Expert) are recommending to certain
> candidates is taking only 5 or 6
> > > full
> > > > > scale labs but doing them 4 or 5 times each.
> Then during the last
> > > week or
> > > > > two before the real lab taking 2 or 3
> additional full scale labs and
> > > doing
> > > > > them once or twice each. This approach
> should get you to the point
> > > where
> > > > > you can do any of the 5 or 6 labs within 4
> hours and be able to
> > > complete
> > > > > the additional 2 or 3 labs within 5 to 5.5
> hours. You would be
> amazed
> > > at
> > > > > the amount you can learn by doing a lab more
> than once. Plus one of
> > > the
> > > > > big benefits with this approach is that you
> gain speed and accuracy
> > > > > (accuracy = correct configuration the first
> time around) which is
> > > > > important in passing the lab.
> > > > >
> > > > > Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210
> (R&amp;S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
> > > > > bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
> > > > >
> > > > > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > > > > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> > > > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> > > > > Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and
> Canada)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > Subject: Lab Query
> > > > > Date: Wed, October 17, 2007 19:03
> > > > > From: "Ananth Vk" <ananth.vk@tcs.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are a lot of practice labs available
> for the lab from
> > > different
> > > > > > vendors..
> > > > > > Lets say i have practiced 10 labs that are
> complex &amp;amp;
> say im
> > > > > confident,then
> > > > > > how to determine if my 11th one has to be
> the real lab / another
> > > > practice
> > > > > > lab
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Whats the main take away with the practice
> labs ?
> > > > > > Is it the practice in number of practice
> labs/ complexity in
> > > topology/
> > > > > > types of questions asked ?
> > > > > > Cos i sometimes read that a person passed
> lab in first attempt
> > > &amp;amp; he
> > > > > read
> > > > > > books + a specific vendor material....
> > > > > > Then whats the differentiator in the real
> lab that puts many people
> > > down
> > > > > > though they had many workbooks to practice
> with them ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > Ananth
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