From: darth router (darklordrouter@gmail.com)
Date: Thu Oct 18 2007 - 15:59:26 ART
IEs switching in v 4 is pretty kick ass (Brian, free stuff over here for
that plug!). Sometimes they give you all configs, sometimes you are forced
to draw a painful Layer 2 diagram out to figure stuff out. Sometimes I
ponder whether the Brians are psychic, or possibly made a deal with satan to
know how to put the "right" switching in their workbooks to best prepare you
for the lab.
DR
On 10/18/07, Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Good point.
>
> I'm just going through the first couple of labs in
> version 4 and have not yet made that distinction yet.
>
> I did recall that being an issue from about version 2,
> I think, when I had went to NMC's bootcamp, and took
> me a bit to overcome since I was considerably weaker
> with switching at the time (about lethargic), and used
> the chart as a "crutch" and when it was removed... I
> trembled and fell a bit - but that was a reference to
> a past event from about 2 years ago and may not
> represent the current product at all.
>
> The current product is much improved by the way. I'm
> impressed that each lab appears to have nearly 100
> pages more or less of very well written and easily
> understood descriptions of exactly what is happeing in
> each lab.
>
> And I'll tell you another thing, and this is premature
> since I'm only on the third one and there are at least
> 7 available at the moment, those COD's that you guys
> have taken the time to create... are the best thing
> since sliced bread.
>
> I watch so many questions get asked over the years
> hear on GS, you know the how or why, etc. Why this
> solution versus these other 2 or 3... And you guys
> hit PAYDIRT... with the COD. I was surprised at how
> much you packed in and did so, incredibly concisely
> too.
>
> The product is FANTASTIC! I understand that others
> are following this trend. The pricing is great and
> the value is there...
>
> Talk about taking a handful of labs, say just labs 1-5
> or 1-7 and just mastering them. Know the why/why not
> and taking the time to enjoy the mastery of some of
> the more complex issues discussed in each lab.
>
> The COD's allow one to do this, verus spending a lot
> of time second guessing solutions - happens alot on
> this list.
>
> So 100 pages or so of descriptions and breakdown and
> then a carefully worded COD... that spots the
> issues...
>
> Kewl idea brought to life and masterfully executed.
>
>
> --- Brian Dennis <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Darby,
> > In version 4 of the IEWB Vol 2 Workbook there
> > isn't a "style" to how
> > the VLANs are given. There was a "style" in version
> > 3 to how things
> > were done but in version 4 you will find that there
> > are many "things"
> > done differently between the labs. Sometimes you
> > get the VLAN
> > information in a table, sometimes through the output
> > of various show
> > commands, sometimes you are asked to determine the
> > VLANs needed by
> > referencing the diagram and finally sometimes they
> > are already done for
> > you in the initial configurations.
> >
> > Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
> > bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
> >
> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> > Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
> >
> >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > Subject: Re: IEWB sample lab - switching approach
> > Date: Wed, October 17, 2007 21:08
> > From: "Darby Weaver" <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> >
> > > I would not fall in love with any vendor's style
> > of
> > > how they depict the VLAN's given.
> > >
> > > Since you never know what you may be given as (an)
> > > exhibit(s) and you never know what may be asked
> > later
> > > that may not appear in the initial given
> > exhibit(s)
> > > anyway.
> > >
> > > I'd almost recommend just looking at a given
> > diagram
> > > and then making my own table and diagrams from
> > that.
> > >
> > > Then, I'd read the lab tasks given and ensure that
> > > there are no other tasks that modify, add, or
> > remove
> > > anything from the initial given materials and go
> > from
> > > there.
> > >
> > > I recall going to my first NMC Bootcamp... and I
> > was
> > > used to IE's charts... kicked me into lala trying
> > to
> > > get used from one to the other style. Realtime.
> > >
> > > But it made me think differently too. And Bob
> > > Sinclair will tell you first thing... that Switch
> > > diagram and color codes (vlan = color) real
> > quickly...
> > >
> > > Hard to digest at first for some like me...
> > >
> > > Get used to seeing them anyway they can be thrown
> > at
> > > you and quckly get used to asking yourself what
> > they
> > > are doing.
> > >
> > > Ask yourself, where's the root bridge... of each
> > > spanning-tree instance. Is it where you want it?
> > >
> > > Lots of stuff one needs to pay attention too and
> > all
> > > at the same time.
> > >
> > > You'll get used to it after a while.
> > >
> > > But that diagram will become as important as your
> > L3
> > > to some folks... especially later in the lab
> > if/when
> > > you find yourself troubleshooting something you
> > > thought you resolved earlier in the morning.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- shiran guez <shiranp3@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I think the key to understand how the logical
> > > > topology work is to know the
> > > > Physical topology so I would draw that first,
> > then
> > > > if the logical topology
> > > > is not already given to you then I would draw it
> > to
> > > > but I would not delay on
> > > > that for ever.
> > > >
> > > > Vlan Table is also a key element as if you want
> > to
> > > > be quick and know
> > > > problems before they start then you need it.
> > > >
> > > > Note: some time its just as easy as it look but
> > for
> > > > training I would
> > > > practice worst case so in the lab I would not be
> > > > tackled due to a hard
> > > > looking topology.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 10/15/07, CCIE.LAB <ccie.lab@verizon.net>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On doing the sample labs, what is the
> > recommended
> > > > approach on the CAT
> > > > > Switching sections.
> > > > >
> > > > > Do I need to draw out the switch topology or
> > is it
> > > > just as easy as it
> > > > > looks
> > > > > by configuring what's in the vlan tables
> > > > > and then configure the appropriate trunks in
> > the
> > > > trunk table?
> > > > > Does the switch config come into play
> > elsewhere in
> > > > the lab that I should
> > > > > draw
> > > > > it out?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thnks
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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