From: Farhan Anwar (farhan.anwar@gmail.com)
Date: Sun Oct 14 2007 - 16:19:16 ART
Seems right to me,
A 2nd CCIE to obtain that kind of respect and PAYCHECK which was once owned
by a single CCIE will be seen soon may be in a couple of years. As with the
invention of Dynamips and such virtualization technologies more and more
people have found a way to prepare themselves for the CCIE Program which was
un-thinkable a couple of years ago without having a full Lab Gear or
attending bootcamps or getting hands-on rack-rentals. This has drastically
increased the number of candidates willing for the CCIE Program. Soon there
will be a race for 2nd CCIE Credential.
As of me, i am preparing for the R&S and have full plans to go for SP as
well when i am finished with this may be in 1st, 2nd or 3rd trial, who
knows. Why? because i have the equipment at home thanks to dynamips, what i
need is just to give it time and money.
Many ppl think alike. Things in my opinion are moving very fast.
Lets see what happens.
On 10/14/07, M e <iosluver@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Gents,
>
> The point here is what exactly has Cisco done to rid the CCIE program of
> this practices? I began to question Cisco's judgement especially when I
> consider the fact that, labs that people buy oline to pass the labs have
> been available in the public domain for almost 2 years now.
>
> Do you really think Cisco will spend resources to go after these people..I
> think not & will love to see any evidence to the contrary. This is a big ass
> rat race that Cisco being a corporation will win & come out on top even
> though they aren't racing with the rest of us. Cisco is in a win-win
> situation because, they add more individuals to their growing pool of CCIEs
> every month, they however, do not make any effort to protect the integrity
> of program, Furthermore, why should they, when there is now a need for the
> really good engineers to place themselves above the cheats in the pecking
> order by earning a second or even third CCIE. This is not a bad aspect of
> the cause & effect here, it is rather good in my humble opinion. This does
> not however prevent Cisco from meeting ethical commitments if only to
> protect the program.
>
> So tell me who is winning, the candidate who invests between 12 to 18
> months to prepare for 1 lab & possibly retake the lab if a failure occurs,
> or Cisco which just waits for the credit card charges to roll through stamp
> on the numbers without bothering to maintain the integrity of the
> Cetification. On the long run, we will be the ones on whom the burden of
> placing this aspect of the industry in the position of great respect &
> privilege which it deserves.
>
> After the incident in which the dude with the ACL on a sheet of paper got
> himself into a sicky situation was discussed in the forum last week, it
> became very obvious to me that Cisco's liability as far as the certification
> program is concerned does not extend itself into pursueing the vioaltors of
> the NDA, exam regualtions. If they catch you fine..if they don't move on &
> join the others out there.
>
> Makes you wonder how long this crap has been going on. I remember back in
> the days of MCSE NT 4.0 (I'm not placing MCSE on the same level as the
> CCIE, this is stictly an analogy), if you lived in Asia, you could get an
> MCSE in a week or 2 with no fuss what so ever. This eventually moved
> to become a global get-&-pass MCSE for all. You would think that Microsoft
> would find a way to stamp this out, no, what did they do, they rewarded the
> very same region with the biggest overseas software development for
> Microsoft out side the US. Last I checked, Cisco has begun to go down this
> path as well. Has it occured to you that with the large pool of CCIEs in the
> market, a time will come when the slaries will begin to drop, making the
> potential CCIE candidate aim for 2 or more CCIEs to make the kind of money
> one would consider a good paycheck.
>
> I hate to admit but this after all is why it is called CAPITALISM,.....
> the player with the big chips wins ....
>
>
>
>
> On 10/14/07, Farhan Anwar <farhan.anwar@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear Cyrus,
> > Remember, doing a CCIE is just the beginning, sustaining it is also hard
> > enough. After attaining the popular number, ppl expect you to be an
> > Expert
> > as the label says, but if you are not what they think of, your survival
> > is
> > tough in the competent market. Sure one can make $1000/month using
> > Rentacert
> > ;) but whats the point in attaining it if all you wanted is the $1000
> > rent.
> >
> > Let Cisco take care of its CCIE Program's integrity, uniqueness and
> > intensity.
> > Let us concentrate on the matters which help us in attaining our number
> > honestly.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Farhan.
> >
> > On 10/14/07, sirus MOGHADASIAN < cyrus.mgh@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi GS,
> > >
> > > I find at least two site that sell real ccie lab scenarios that have
> > > product
> > > like this (6 Real Labs(2006) + 4 NEW Real Labs(2007)!!!!!!!!!!)
> > >
> > > if this is true:
> > >
> > >
> > > I think CCIE Lab is now is as trivial as CCNA,CCNP,MCSE, and what ever
> > > exam
> > > that u can find thier dumps out there.
> > >
> > > somebody with no knowledge can now be certified as CCIE.
> > >
> > > IMHO,what keep glory of CCIE is now gone ,now people can dump this
> > exam as
> > > others.
> > >
> > > I don't wanna disappoint u but I completely lost and pretty hopeless
> > at
> > > this
> > > moment and feel what we spent our time on it is now not as valuable
> > as
> > > before.
> > >
> > >
> > > Cyrus
> > >
> > >
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