From: Narbik Kocharians (narbikk@gmail.com)
Date: Thu Oct 11 2007 - 23:56:14 ART
How would we know how many times our doctor failed?
On 10/11/07, Scott Morris <smorris@ipexpert.com> wrote:
>
> Some people simply don't test well.
>
> Other people are simply persistent.
>
> If it takes them 20 times to pass, I cannot imagine any reality in which
> they would not be (or grown to be) an excellent engineer.
>
> Not everyone has the benefits that others may have going into the path of
> CCIE.
>
> Granted, some people may be persistent beyond their skill level and simply
> beat the law of averages, but I think we're all missing some significant
> statistical data to be able to say something like that outright!
>
> Scott
>
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> Morris
> Cc: Burkett, Michael; Brad Ellis; Christopher M. Heffner; Eric Dobyns;
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> Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Price Increase
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 7:52 PM
> Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase
>
>
>
> >I read somewhere, sorry if I mess it up, but I liked the following
> >phrase:
> >"when a class of medical students graduate even a last one is called a
> >doctor"
>
> And of course the rejoinder to that (with apologies to those who have
> heard
> me say it before) is that if you graduate last in your med school class,
> you
> probably won't pass your required USMLE's to get your medical license and
> hence you won't be allowed to legally practice medicine, which is the
> whole
> point in becoming a doctor in the first place. In contrast, anybody can
> legally 'practice' IT (and I think I have met some network guys who need
> to
> 'practice' their skills a whole lot more before they should ever be
> allowed
> anywhere near a router).
>
> >So would you have to choose between two CCIE's then yes, that would be
> >cool to know how many attempts it took from each one to pass the lab.
> >But that is not the case in reality. Nobody usually gets to choose
> >between two CCIE :) unless you have a very attractive offer to show!
>
> I don't know about that. I have known of companies that have had numerous
> CCIE's applying, and the offers they were providing were really not that
> good.
>
> >Besides, it doesn't matter to me if it will take 15 attempts from Jeff
> >Brunner before he gets his number. At the end of the day all that
> >matters is your CCIE number and amount of experience you have. And
> >don't be surprised if at some places nobody would care if you have CCIE
> >or not and all they look for is your experience.
>
> Well, let me put it to you this way. What if you looked up guy who had
> his
> CCIE and found out that he failed 20 times before he finally passed? I
> don't know about you, but I would certainly begin to question this guy's
> professionalism. If nothing else, that signal would tell me that this is
> a
>
> guy who evidently doesn't believe in proper preparation. Would you really
> want a guy like that on your team? I would have my qualms. After all, he
> might show up to work on a project without being properly prepared.
>
> Look, failing a few times is probably no big deal. But after a certain
> number of failures, I think we can agree that things are just getting out
> of
> hand. We can debate what that exact number would be, but I think we can
> all
> agree that 20 (or even 10) is probably too much.
>
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-- Narbik Kocharians CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security) CCSI# 30832 www.Net-WorkBooks.com
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