From: Scott Morris (smorris@ipexpert.com)
Date: Fri Oct 12 2007 - 00:00:45 ART
Heheheh..... Ok, so there are more prestigious jobs for those who pass on
the first try, but look at the track record prior to that point in their
lives! I'd be willing to bet that passing the bar on the first try is not
the first major milestone those individuals have accomplished.
And to that same end, the difficulty of the test and the other factors
leading up to that have already established the bar (pun intended) at an
exceptionally high level. So work on the content/format of the exam.
Changing the price of the bar exam wouldn't drastically change who tried or
how often they tried.
It's nice to compare the CCIE to these other milestone accomplishments, but
at the same time though, the things you are talking about changing is not
going to solve the perceived problem.
Just my thoughts.
Scott
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Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Price Increase
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Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase
> Would that logic not also increase the potential for people to want to
> find some way to shortcut the exam and pass on the first try?
I'm not sure that I understand this question. What do you mean by 'shortcut
the exam'?
As to what I think your point is, I would ask, what is bad about a system
that encourages people to try to pass on their first attempt? I would say
that that's a GOOD thing, as it encourages better preparation. After all,
most newly hired lawyers who are hired right out of law schools by major law
firms or prestigious judicial clerkships are strongly encouraged (heck,
they're expected) to pass the Bar exam on their first try, which would
generally be the July right after they graduate. If they don't pass in
July, they have to wait until the next February when the bar is held again,
and they can't practice law during the interim period. {They can perform
other advisory work or client building during that time, but they can't
perform any actual licensed attorney's work.}
Like I've been saying, right now, many people are taking the test without
properly preparing themselves, figuring that they will use their attempt as
a 'practice run' and will return for their "real" attempt sometime later.
I don't think too many people take the Bar, USMLE, or CFA as a 'practice
run', because the stakes of failure are so high.
What makes the issue even more acute than, say, the Bar, is the shortage of
CCIE seats. If you take the Bar and fail, the only person you're hurting
is you. Nobody else is affected. But when you take and fail the CCIE,
you've basically taken away a seat from somebody else who might have passed.
So when you fail, not only are you hurting yourself, but more importantly,
you're hurting others. You're imposing a cost on everybody else.
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