From: Darby Weaver (darbyweaver@yahoo.com)
Date: Wed Oct 10 2007 - 08:45:12 ART
http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/le11/learning_certification_exam_policies.html
Read it again.
--- Cacca Mucca <caccamucca@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Banned for Life"
>
> Really? I thought it was for 1 year?
>
>
> On 10/10/07, Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Chris,
> >
> > Contrar my friend. I have seen personally that
> the
> > CCIE Developement team does watch these this forum
> > with interest and with intent.
> >
> > They do care about the program.
> >
> > They do care about what we think - we are
> something
> > like a customer... old fashioned concept.
> >
> >
> > Now from what I have read thus far, our friend was
> > apparently confronted about this incident in the
> lab.
> > As was at least one other person. So the proctor
> had
> > his reasons no doubt for thinking as he did.
> >
> > This is very serious and could affect the way we
> enter
> > the lab exam in the future.
> >
> > Apparently a "note" or "notes" were found and
> those
> > notes were "not on the paper given by the
> proctors".
> >
> > Now if our friend here is innocent and did not
> bring
> > notes to the lab, that is one thing.
> >
> > If he he did, then it is another.
> >
> > The problem is what can a person do if he/she did
> not
> > bring notes but were accused of doing so?
> >
> >
> > There really is very little recourse.
> >
> > However, we as CCIE candidates want to believe in
> the
> > integrity of the program as a whole and in our
> > proctors.
> >
> > I, for one, have always found the proctors to be
> very
> > professional and very helpful.
> >
> > This person is concerned about his career and
> should
> > be, since this is a serious offense.
> >
> > Cisco is concerned about the integrity of the
> entire
> > CCIE program, as we all should be.
> >
> > From the treads I've read up to know, and I've
> seen
> > the email chain, the Cisco Security Team probably
> have
> > a strong case and it seems they took a little
> while to
> > properly weigh the options.
> >
> > Banning someone for life and stripping all certs
> is
> > pretty serious.
> >
> > The question we all should be asking is "how
> arbitrary
> > is the process"?
> >
> > Even if a student is expelled for cheating from a
> > College Campus, they still have some rights.
> >
> > Cisco makes their case clear - break the rules and
> you
> > are banned for life - per the lastest CCIE update.
> >
> > It is their program, but it is also ours. We all
> have
> > significant investments in time and money too.
> >
> > The vendors here have incredible amounts invested.
> >
> > Everyone who takes the time and commits the effort
> has
> > a lot invested.
> >
> >
> > While we do not want to give cheaters any breaks,
> we
> > still should want a fair process.
> >
> > However, I still think the CCIE Proctors would
> never
> > risk their integrity or career on making such a
> > mistake and the situation is probably
> well-founded.
> >
> > Remember, what are the odds that 4 people taking
> the
> > lab have the same lab or even are taking the same
> > track for that matter.
> >
> > So...
> >
> > Just sitting around not sleeping and decided to
> chime
> > in.
> >
> > All any of has is an opinion.
> >
> > Since only a few people were there, only those
> folks
> > know the facts.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Chris Tevlin <nobody@groupstudy.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hitesh,
> > >
> > > I'm unclear what you hope to gain by posting
> > > this thread here. It seems
> > > to me that there isn't any member of this study
> > > group that can directly
> > > influence the decision made by Cisco Systems.
> Under
> > > the circumstances, I
> > > find the practice of posting your dialog with
> Cisco
> > > a bit distasteful. You
> > > are certainly free to post what you'd like, but
> know
> > > that public opinion is
> > > a double-edged sword; you may not achieve much
> > > sympathy. If you truly feel
> > > that you have been unfairly accused, you must
> appeal
> > > to the decision
> > > authority directly. Keep in mind that your
> conduct
> > > inside the exam is what
> > > has been called into question, but your conduct
> > > outside of the exam is also
> > > likely to matter if any further consideration is
> > > undertaken by Cisco.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > >
> > > ""Hitesh Panchani"" wrote in message
> > >
> news:200710091607.l99G7jHU002598@groupstudy.com...
> > > > sad.gif
> > > > BANNED BY CISCO
> > > > sad.gif
> > > >
> > > > I was told by forum in Sadikhov to post my
> problem
> > > here.
> > > >
> > > > I did CCIE lab exam and not receiving result
> with
> > > in 48 hr so I contact
> > > > Cisco support desk. They told me I didn't done
> lab
> > > yet. I told them this
> > > > is
> > > > my 3rd attempt for lab and I couldnb?Tt
> receive my
> > > result yet. It is more
> > > > then 48hr and I couldnb?Tt receive my result
> and I
> > > couldnb?Tt open my CCIE
> > > > login. Cisco did open my case cert case. Told
> by
> > > helpdesk some one will
> > > > contact in 48hr but still no contact in 48hr
> so I
> > > did contact Cisco again
> > > > they said there is database have problem your
> case
> > > is passed to IT staff
> > > > and
> > > > they will take 5 working days to respond. AS
> soon
> > > as database fix will
> > > > give
> > > > you update. After 5 days they didn't contact
> so I
> > > made contact again and
> > > > helpdesk told me Head of IT is dealing with
> your
> > > case and it took 7 days
> > > > to
> > > > investigate why database is missing. I made
> > > contact after 7days then Cisco
> > > > helpdesk says your case is in security officer
> > > they will contact in 10
> > > > day.
> > > > So we are closing your case now and you have
> to
> > > wait for security team
> > > > response they will send you mail or letter. I
> > > received mail from CISCO as
> > > > below:
> > > >
> > > > Via Federal Express and [Electronic Mail]
> > > >
> > > > Hitesh
> > > > Candidate ID 207489284
> > > > *******@hotmail.com
> > > >
> > > > Address
> > > > United Kingdom, Europe
> > > >
> > > > Re: Violation of CCIE Candidate Conduct
> > > Policy-Possession of notes during
> > > > exam
> > > >
> > > > Dear Hitesh,
> > > > I am writing to you on behalf of Cisco, Inc.
> > > (b?oCiscob? ). It has come
> > > > to
> > > > our attention that on September 9th 2007 your
> CCIE
> > > Lab exam proctor
> > > > discovered notes regarding exam question
> > > configurations at your assigned
> > > > testing station. The proctor reported that
> upon
> > > confronting you with
> > > > these
> > > > notes that you admitted they belonged to you.
> As
> > > you should be aware,
> > > > possession of notes during testing is a
> violation
> > > of the Candidate Conduct
> > > > Policy which states:
> > > >
> > > > b?oNo candidate will take any action that will
> > > compromise the integrity or
> > > > confidentiality of a Cisco Certification
> > > examination or otherwise
> > > > compromise
> > > > the integrity of the Cisco Certification
> program.
> > > Such actions include but
> > > > are not limited to:
> > > > Using any aids, notes, equipment or other
> > > materials not authorized by the
> > > > TestingDelivery Partners or Cisco during the
> > > exam.b?
> > > >
> > > > You signed a Cisco Career Certification and
> > > Confidentiality Agreement
> > > > that
> > > > prior to your exam. To paraphrase this
> agreement,
> > > Cisco may at its sole
> > > > discretion revoke any and all Certifications
> you
> > > may have earned, and
> > > > permanently ban you from earning future
> > > Certifications if Cisco
> > > > determines,
> > > > in its sole discretion, that you have
> undertaken
> > > or participated in any
> > > > action that compromises the integrity and
> > > confidentiality of an
> > > > examination
> > > > or the Program.
> > > >
> > > > As a result, you are hereby permanently
> prohibited
> > > from taking any Cisco
> > > > examinations, including CCIE written and
> > > laboratory examinations, and any
> > > > Cisco certifications with VUE, Ciscob?Ts
> > > Authorized Testing Delivery
> > > > Partner. Access to your candidate records in
> the
> > > Certifications Tracking
> > > > System is also denied.
> > > >
> > > > The intention of Cisco career certifications
> is to
> > > ensure high standards
> > > > of
> > > > technical expertise. Achieving Cisco
> > > certificationb?"at any levelb?"means
> > > > joining the ranks of skilled network
> professionals
> > > who have earned
> > > > recognition and respect in the industry.
> > > Maintaining the integrity of
> > > > Cisco
> > > > certification programs and ensuring that only
> > > qualified individuals
> > > > receive
> > > > certification is in the interest of everyone.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for your cooperation.
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > > Kathe Saccenti, CCIE 2099
> > > > Mgr, Operations - Labs
> > > > Learning@Cisco.com
> > > > Cc: VQS JW
> > > >
> > > > REPLY FROM CISCO AFTER I REPLAYED TO ABOVE
> EMAIL
> > > >
> > > > As I stated in the letter I sent you, we
> reserve
> > > the right to deny
> > > > testing to individuals that violate our
> policies.
> > > > The report and the evidence submitted,
> correspond
> > > fully to your
> > > > configurations.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: Hp***** [mailto:hp*****@hotmail.com]
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 7:16 AM
> > > > To: Kathe Saccenti (ksaccent)
> > > > Subject: Re: CCIE Notification
> > > >
> > > > Hi Kathe
> > > >
> > > > I deny any wrong doing with any cisco
> > > certification. I was called up by
> > > > the proctor after he had called the other
> > > candidate first, he presented
> > > > me with a piece of paper, said to be found on
> my
> > > desk. I denied it
> > > > immediately as I would be cheating with myself
> > > first. Proctor mention
> > > > there was a "access list" on that piece of
> paper,
> > > to which I said "can I
> > > > see it" reply "no" at some point in proctor
> > > mention that "if it not
> > > > your, you do not need to worry about it", at
> that
> > > point I left the
> > > > building. Proctor told me that somebody will
> > > contact me within 48hrs
> > > > will contact me, which never happen, that why
> I
> > > raised the ticket
> > > > (070911-000286)on 11 Sep 2007, not knowing
> what
> > > department to contact I
> > > > started the general query.
> > > >
> > > > I left my work in NOV 2006 to pursuit my long
> term
> > > plan of obtaining the
> > > > CCIE. I have been planning to become CCIE
> since
> > > 2000 and gradually
> > > > getting closer to my goal (my life
> achievement).
> > > If you look at your
> > > > records, this was my third attempt, and I was
> > > willing to one more
> > > > attempt before giving it up. The concept of
> these
> > > labs is to understand
> > > > the technology first and later configuration
> > > command.
> > > >
> > > > I realised the importance of the standards set
> by
> > > the CCIE
> > > > qualification. I would appreciate if you would
> > > reconsider your decision.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > Hitesh
> >
> >
>
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