From: Cacca Mucca (caccamucca@gmail.com)
Date: Wed Oct 10 2007 - 05:33:17 ART
"Banned for Life"
Really? I thought it was for 1 year?
On 10/10/07, Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Chris,
>
> Contrar my friend. I have seen personally that the
> CCIE Developement team does watch these this forum
> with interest and with intent.
>
> They do care about the program.
>
> They do care about what we think - we are something
> like a customer... old fashioned concept.
>
>
> Now from what I have read thus far, our friend was
> apparently confronted about this incident in the lab.
> As was at least one other person. So the proctor had
> his reasons no doubt for thinking as he did.
>
> This is very serious and could affect the way we enter
> the lab exam in the future.
>
> Apparently a "note" or "notes" were found and those
> notes were "not on the paper given by the proctors".
>
> Now if our friend here is innocent and did not bring
> notes to the lab, that is one thing.
>
> If he he did, then it is another.
>
> The problem is what can a person do if he/she did not
> bring notes but were accused of doing so?
>
>
> There really is very little recourse.
>
> However, we as CCIE candidates want to believe in the
> integrity of the program as a whole and in our
> proctors.
>
> I, for one, have always found the proctors to be very
> professional and very helpful.
>
> This person is concerned about his career and should
> be, since this is a serious offense.
>
> Cisco is concerned about the integrity of the entire
> CCIE program, as we all should be.
>
> From the treads I've read up to know, and I've seen
> the email chain, the Cisco Security Team probably have
> a strong case and it seems they took a little while to
> properly weigh the options.
>
> Banning someone for life and stripping all certs is
> pretty serious.
>
> The question we all should be asking is "how arbitrary
> is the process"?
>
> Even if a student is expelled for cheating from a
> College Campus, they still have some rights.
>
> Cisco makes their case clear - break the rules and you
> are banned for life - per the lastest CCIE update.
>
> It is their program, but it is also ours. We all have
> significant investments in time and money too.
>
> The vendors here have incredible amounts invested.
>
> Everyone who takes the time and commits the effort has
> a lot invested.
>
>
> While we do not want to give cheaters any breaks, we
> still should want a fair process.
>
> However, I still think the CCIE Proctors would never
> risk their integrity or career on making such a
> mistake and the situation is probably well-founded.
>
> Remember, what are the odds that 4 people taking the
> lab have the same lab or even are taking the same
> track for that matter.
>
> So...
>
> Just sitting around not sleeping and decided to chime
> in.
>
> All any of has is an opinion.
>
> Since only a few people were there, only those folks
> know the facts.
>
>
>
> --- Chris Tevlin <nobody@groupstudy.com> wrote:
>
> > Hitesh,
> >
> > I'm unclear what you hope to gain by posting
> > this thread here. It seems
> > to me that there isn't any member of this study
> > group that can directly
> > influence the decision made by Cisco Systems. Under
> > the circumstances, I
> > find the practice of posting your dialog with Cisco
> > a bit distasteful. You
> > are certainly free to post what you'd like, but know
> > that public opinion is
> > a double-edged sword; you may not achieve much
> > sympathy. If you truly feel
> > that you have been unfairly accused, you must appeal
> > to the decision
> > authority directly. Keep in mind that your conduct
> > inside the exam is what
> > has been called into question, but your conduct
> > outside of the exam is also
> > likely to matter if any further consideration is
> > undertaken by Cisco.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > ""Hitesh Panchani"" wrote in message
> > news:200710091607.l99G7jHU002598@groupstudy.com...
> > > sad.gif
> > > BANNED BY CISCO
> > > sad.gif
> > >
> > > I was told by forum in Sadikhov to post my problem
> > here.
> > >
> > > I did CCIE lab exam and not receiving result with
> > in 48 hr so I contact
> > > Cisco support desk. They told me I didn't done lab
> > yet. I told them this
> > > is
> > > my 3rd attempt for lab and I couldnb?Tt receive my
> > result yet. It is more
> > > then 48hr and I couldnb?Tt receive my result and I
> > couldnb?Tt open my CCIE
> > > login. Cisco did open my case cert case. Told by
> > helpdesk some one will
> > > contact in 48hr but still no contact in 48hr so I
> > did contact Cisco again
> > > they said there is database have problem your case
> > is passed to IT staff
> > > and
> > > they will take 5 working days to respond. AS soon
> > as database fix will
> > > give
> > > you update. After 5 days they didn't contact so I
> > made contact again and
> > > helpdesk told me Head of IT is dealing with your
> > case and it took 7 days
> > > to
> > > investigate why database is missing. I made
> > contact after 7days then Cisco
> > > helpdesk says your case is in security officer
> > they will contact in 10
> > > day.
> > > So we are closing your case now and you have to
> > wait for security team
> > > response they will send you mail or letter. I
> > received mail from CISCO as
> > > below:
> > >
> > > Via Federal Express and [Electronic Mail]
> > >
> > > Hitesh
> > > Candidate ID 207489284
> > > *******@hotmail.com
> > >
> > > Address
> > > United Kingdom, Europe
> > >
> > > Re: Violation of CCIE Candidate Conduct
> > Policy-Possession of notes during
> > > exam
> > >
> > > Dear Hitesh,
> > > I am writing to you on behalf of Cisco, Inc.
> > (b?oCiscob? ). It has come
> > > to
> > > our attention that on September 9th 2007 your CCIE
> > Lab exam proctor
> > > discovered notes regarding exam question
> > configurations at your assigned
> > > testing station. The proctor reported that upon
> > confronting you with
> > > these
> > > notes that you admitted they belonged to you. As
> > you should be aware,
> > > possession of notes during testing is a violation
> > of the Candidate Conduct
> > > Policy which states:
> > >
> > > b?oNo candidate will take any action that will
> > compromise the integrity or
> > > confidentiality of a Cisco Certification
> > examination or otherwise
> > > compromise
> > > the integrity of the Cisco Certification program.
> > Such actions include but
> > > are not limited to:
> > > Using any aids, notes, equipment or other
> > materials not authorized by the
> > > TestingDelivery Partners or Cisco during the
> > exam.b?
> > >
> > > You signed a Cisco Career Certification and
> > Confidentiality Agreement
> > > that
> > > prior to your exam. To paraphrase this agreement,
> > Cisco may at its sole
> > > discretion revoke any and all Certifications you
> > may have earned, and
> > > permanently ban you from earning future
> > Certifications if Cisco
> > > determines,
> > > in its sole discretion, that you have undertaken
> > or participated in any
> > > action that compromises the integrity and
> > confidentiality of an
> > > examination
> > > or the Program.
> > >
> > > As a result, you are hereby permanently prohibited
> > from taking any Cisco
> > > examinations, including CCIE written and
> > laboratory examinations, and any
> > > Cisco certifications with VUE, Ciscob?Ts
> > Authorized Testing Delivery
> > > Partner. Access to your candidate records in the
> > Certifications Tracking
> > > System is also denied.
> > >
> > > The intention of Cisco career certifications is to
> > ensure high standards
> > > of
> > > technical expertise. Achieving Cisco
> > certificationb?"at any levelb?"means
> > > joining the ranks of skilled network professionals
> > who have earned
> > > recognition and respect in the industry.
> > Maintaining the integrity of
> > > Cisco
> > > certification programs and ensuring that only
> > qualified individuals
> > > receive
> > > certification is in the interest of everyone.
> > >
> > > Thank you for your cooperation.
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Kathe Saccenti, CCIE 2099
> > > Mgr, Operations - Labs
> > > Learning@Cisco.com
> > > Cc: VQS JW
> > >
> > > REPLY FROM CISCO AFTER I REPLAYED TO ABOVE EMAIL
> > >
> > > As I stated in the letter I sent you, we reserve
> > the right to deny
> > > testing to individuals that violate our policies.
> > > The report and the evidence submitted, correspond
> > fully to your
> > > configurations.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Hp***** [mailto:hp*****@hotmail.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 7:16 AM
> > > To: Kathe Saccenti (ksaccent)
> > > Subject: Re: CCIE Notification
> > >
> > > Hi Kathe
> > >
> > > I deny any wrong doing with any cisco
> > certification. I was called up by
> > > the proctor after he had called the other
> > candidate first, he presented
> > > me with a piece of paper, said to be found on my
> > desk. I denied it
> > > immediately as I would be cheating with myself
> > first. Proctor mention
> > > there was a "access list" on that piece of paper,
> > to which I said "can I
> > > see it" reply "no" at some point in proctor
> > mention that "if it not
> > > your, you do not need to worry about it", at that
> > point I left the
> > > building. Proctor told me that somebody will
> > contact me within 48hrs
> > > will contact me, which never happen, that why I
> > raised the ticket
> > > (070911-000286)on 11 Sep 2007, not knowing what
> > department to contact I
> > > started the general query.
> > >
> > > I left my work in NOV 2006 to pursuit my long term
> > plan of obtaining the
> > > CCIE. I have been planning to become CCIE since
> > 2000 and gradually
> > > getting closer to my goal (my life achievement).
> > If you look at your
> > > records, this was my third attempt, and I was
> > willing to one more
> > > attempt before giving it up. The concept of these
> > labs is to understand
> > > the technology first and later configuration
> > command.
> > >
> > > I realised the importance of the standards set by
> > the CCIE
> > > qualification. I would appreciate if you would
> > reconsider your decision.
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Hitesh
>
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