From: Jason W. Miller (jaymiller5@gmail.com)
Date: Wed Oct 10 2007 - 08:54:10 ART
That is correct, the bonus is only like 2k. Also if you are on an
advanced service team for the US gov they require a ccie and give you
6 months to pass.
On 10/10/07, istong@stong.org <istong@stong.org> wrote:
> I have a friend that works for Cisco and his lab exams were
> free (I think up to 3 attempts) since it was related to his
> job. In addition he will receive a bonus if he passes the
> lab exam and obtains his CCIE.
>
>
> Ian
> www.ccie4u.com
> Rack Rentals and discounted lab workbooks
>
>
>
> > I believe that even Cisco employees have to pay for the
> > exam. It may be internal invoicing but it's not free.
> >
> > And the equipment at the labs is also paid for by the CCIE
> > program.
> >
> > At least that is what I was given to understand.
> >
> > Nasir Shaikh | CCIE #15845 | Senior Consultant | BT |
> > Global Professional Services
> > Mob: +31 (0) 6 54 63 50 05 | E: nasir.shaikh@bt.com |
> > www.bt.com/consulting
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]
> > On Behalf Of Gregory Gombas
> > Sent: woensdag 10 oktober 2007 3:32
> > To: Security Architect (NetSec)
> > Cc: Brad Ellis; smorris@ipexpert.com; Christopher M.
> > Heffner; Eric Dobyns; Brian Dennis; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > ; <thepiper@one.net>; comserv@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Price Increase
> >
> > How about making Cisco employees pay for lab attempts?
> >
> > That ought to free up the schedule considering 2/3 of the
> > people taking the lab are Cisco employees.
> >
> > Hell if I didn't have to pay for the lab I'd take it every
> > 30 days myself!
> >
> > On 10/9/07, Security Architect (NetSec)
> > <security_architect@netsecdesign.com> wrote:
> > > Another $0.02:
> > >
> > >
> > > While I would prefer NOT to have a two day lab; IMHO 1-2
> > hours would be tough
> > > to fold into the 8 hour time frame. The current format
> > can be completed in
> > > about 6 hours, which allows 1-2 hours for making sure
> > everything works right.
> > > Perhaps another 4 hour session the next day for network
> > > attacks/troubleshooting. If they are going to charge
> > more for the lab you
> > > might as well get your money's worth...
> > >
> > >
> > > On 10/9/07 1:35 PM, "Brad Ellis" <brad@ccbootcamp.com>
> > wrote: >
> > > Scott,
> > >
> > > I agree with you 100%. The main problem is the
> > "qualification exam" ie,
> > > the "written exam" isn't a very good measure of an
> > engineer's readiness
> > > to attempt the lab exam. I think there needs to be a
> > > legitimate qualification exam that truly can attest to
> > > the level of the engineers competency. For CCIE R&S,
> > there used to be wireless on the written exam.
> > > Now there is MPLS on the written. Both technologies not
> > being covered by
> > > the lab exam. How is this an accurate measure of the
> > > engineer's abilities to attempt the lab exam? It's not!
> > > There needs to be a more accurate measurement in place.
> > Once that happens, I think the wait time
> > > between attempts will diminish. I also think the length
> > of time you have
> > > to wait between attempts should correlate to your last
> > > lab exam score. Opening up some more testing centers
> > wouldn't be a bad idea either. Just
> > > my $.02
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > > Brad Ellis
> > > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> > > CCSI# 30482
> > > CEO / President
> > > CCBOOTCAMP - A Cisco Sponsored Organization (SO)
> > > Email: brad@ccbootcamp.com
> > > Toll Free: 877-654-2243
> > > Direct: +1-702-968-5100 = Outside the USA
> > > Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
> > > FAX: +1-702-446-8012
> > > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
> > > Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
> > >
> > > Register to win a free iPhone!
> > http://www.ccbootcamp.com/iphone.html >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Scott Morris [mailto:smorris@ipexpert.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 1:34 PM
> > > To: Brad Ellis; Christopher M. Heffner; Eric Dobyns;
> > > Brian Dennis Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com;
> > > security@groupstudy.com; comserv@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase
> > >
> > > If they want to make serious progress in that idea, then
> > they'll take a
> > > different approach.
> > >
> > > 1. Start with a troubleshooting lab. 1-2 hours. If
> > > you can't figure enough things out to fix, you obviously
> > > don't know what's going on and shouldn't get to the
> > "real" lab. >
> > > 2. Shorten the real lab to 6-7 hours. People who don't
> > > make troubleshooting won't even see the real thing and
> > > therefore can't possibly
> > > copy/memorize it 'cause they went home early.
> > >
> > > Taking the same lab again is only helpful if you've
> > > figured out the answers
> > > and can actually make things work! But splitting things
> > > up like this will
> > > give a higher test of people's deep understanding of
> > technologies rather
> > > than any sort of memorization for stuff going on.
> > >
> > > Just my thoughts. But raising the price or increasing
> > the time between
> > > labs
> > > will irritate more good people than it will deter the
> > > ones you are trying to
> > > keep out.
> > >
> > > Some people know how things work, others do not. Filter
> > based on that!
> > >
> > > Just my two cents.
> > >
> > >
> > > Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service
> > > Provider) #4713, JNCIE-M
> > > #153, CISSP, et al.
> > > CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-ER
> > > VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
> > > IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
> > >
> > > A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning Credits!
> > >
> > > smorris@ipexpert.com
> > >
> > > Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
> > > Fax: +1.810.454.0130
> > > http://www.ipexpert.com
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Brad
> > > Ellis
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:40 PM
> > > To: Christopher M. Heffner; Eric Dobyns; Brian Dennis
> > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com;
> > > comserv@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase
> > >
> > > It might suck, but that would definitely solve a bunch
> > of problems: >
> > > 1) It would make it much harder for those "real test
> > > sites" to get updates
> > > 2) The backlog wouldnb t be so bad - there would be a
> > > lot more seats available
> > > 3) People would stop using the "take the test every 30
> > > days until I pass"
> > > technique. I know a few folks who have taken the lab
> > like that 8 or more
> > > times until they pass. (This method gives a high
> > > percentage of "same lab"
> > > possibilities.)
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > > Brad Ellis
> > > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> > > CCSI# 30482
> > > CEO / President
> > > CCBOOTCAMP - A Cisco Sponsored Organization (SO)
> > > Email: brad@ccbootcamp.com
> > > Toll Free: 877-654-2243
> > > Direct: +1-702-968-5100 = Outside the USA
> > > Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
> > > FAX: +1-702-446-8012
> > > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
> > > Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
> > >
> > > Register to win a free iPhone!
> > http://www.ccbootcamp.com/iphone.html >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Christopher M. Heffner
> > > [mailto:cheffner@certified-labs.com] Sent: Tuesday,
> > > October 09, 2007 11:07 AM To: Brad Ellis; Eric Dobyns;
> > > Brian Dennis Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com;
> > > security@groupstudy.com; comserv@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase
> > >
> > > Now that would really "suck" big time!
> > >
> > > Chris Heffner, CCIE 8211, CCSI 98760
> > > Strategic Network Solutions, Inc.
> > >
> > > www.certified-labs.com
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Brad Ellis [mailto:brad@ccbootcamp.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:22 PM
> > > To: Christopher M. Heffner; Eric Dobyns; Brian Dennis
> > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com;
> > > comserv@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase
> > >
> > > I've heard that Cisco may change their re-take policy
> > from 30 days to 6
> > > months for failed tests...but just rumors so far.
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > > Brad Ellis
> > > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> > > CCSI# 30482
> > > CEO / President
> > > CCBOOTCAMP - A Cisco Sponsored Organization (SO)
> > > Email: brad@ccbootcamp.com
> > > Toll Free: 877-654-2243
> > > Direct: +1-702-968-5100 = Outside the USA
> > > Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
> > > FAX: +1-702-446-8012
> > > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
> > > Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
> > >
> > > Register to win a free iPhone!
> > http://www.ccbootcamp.com/iphone.html >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Christopher M. Heffner
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 10:32 AM
> > > To: Eric Dobyns; Brian Dennis
> > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com;
> > > comserv@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase
> > > Importance: Low
> > >
> > > Please DON'T give them any ideas.
> > >
> > > This is an expensive enough profession.
> > >
> > > Chris Heffner, CCIE 8211, CCSI 98760
> > > Strategic Network Solutions, Inc.
> > >
> > > www.certified-labs.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Eric Dobyns [mailto:eric_dobyns@yahoo.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 1:43 PM
> > > To: 'Brian Dennis'; Christopher M. Heffner
> > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com;
> > > comserv@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase
> > >
> > > Right now, I think they could charge twice that and
> > still fill up their
> > > seats.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Brian Dennis
> > > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 9:22 PM
> > > To: Christopher M. Heffner
> > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com;
> > > comserv@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Price Increase
> > >
> > > Someone "announced" it here a few weeks ago ;-)
> > >
> > > Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
> > > bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
> > >
> > > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> > > Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Oct 8, 2007, at 6:00 PM, Christopher M. Heffner
> > wrote: >
> > > > Did anyone else notice the lab price increase made by
> > > > Cisco for the CCIE Labs?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I noticed when checking lab dates that the price for
> > > > the lab is now $1400.00 per attempt.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I donb t see any announcement on the CCIE website for
> > > > the price increase.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Is this just being quietly changed without an
> > > announcement? >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Christopher M. Heffner, CCIE 8211, CCSI 98760
> > > >
> > > > Strategic Network Solutions, Inc.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > HYPERLINK
> > > "http://www.certified-labs.com/"www.certified-labs.com >
> > > >
> > > >
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