From: Darby Weaver (darbyweaver@yahoo.com)
Date: Tue Oct 02 2007 - 10:24:58 ART
Understood, and that is probably how it is taken by
all, however, should forums and lists and those who
run those fourms/lists be advocating the usage of the
IOS other than it was originally intended to be used
by Cisco.
An individual, my use what he or she pleases, a legal
entity, may wish to be a bit more aboveboard, for
obvious reasons.
Does Cisco even have a take on the Dynamips or even
the PEMU for that matter?
--- Ben Holko <ben.holko@datacom.com.au> wrote:
> Personally my view would be that it is not the
> author's problem to worry about this, nor any study
> vendor.
>
> Think of it like this; you buy VMWare ESX (or use a
> free VMWare product), and you install a Windows VM.
> Do you think it is VMWare's issue to make sure that
> you have the correct Microsoft licences?
>
> Now in the case if Dynamips it may be that it will
> not run anything other than IOS, and this is what it
> was designed for, but I would think it is not the
> author's responsibility - I do recall something on
> the Dynamips page about ensuring that you have the
> correct IOS licence.
>
> Ben
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com on behalf of Darby
> Weaver
> Sent: Tue 2/10/2007 4:26 PM
> To: Joseph Brunner; 'Scott M Vermillion'; 'Cisco
> certification'
> Subject: OT: Dynamips - Is it legal to use it with
> Cisco's IOS for Study?
>
>
>
> At this point you think this question would have
> been
> answered completely and concisely.
>
> On a forum I am a member of, some of our members are
> concerned about the legality of using Dynamips and
> the
> IOS and violating the terms of usage of the IOS as
> provided by Cisco's copyright or fair usage etc.
> Whatever the exact legal language may be.
>
> A newly formed "watchdog forum" called certguard was
> asked about this matter and they consulted the
> author
> of Dynamips and he gave his response - available on
> the certguard forum.
>
> Now my question is primarily aimed at the vendors
> here
> since I suspect they have the answer already since
> they are offering lab workbooks (one of which I'm
> preparing to by at this very moment) and are
> generally
> condoning and supporting the usdage of Dynamips for.
>
> I do not mean to sound "out of my mind" by asking
> the
> question, since obviously this is the best lab prep
> tool since a real router came along... and got
> affordable on ebay (I do not think Cisco is happy
> about that market either - used/gray) but it is a
> part
> of life now too.
>
> So here are the questions:
>
> 1. Are users of Dynamips using the IOS illegally and
> against what the IOS was designed to do by using it
> with Dynamips?
>
> 2. Obviously people can do whatever they want in
> their
> own homes, but are forums and lists like groupstudy,
> or even vendors to be considered
> ethically-challenged
> for condoning and even recommending the usage of
> Dynamips in this fashion.
>
> 3. What is Cisco's official take on the matter?
>
> It may sound odd to some of us here, but I have a
> very
> devout group of upcoming networking engineers who
> care
> very much what Cisco thinks and they do not wish to
> be
> amoral, nor appear unethical in any way, and while
> some really want to use the product, do not want to
> publicly create a legal issue for themselves and the
> forums/lists they frequent in the future.
>
>
> So if anyone has the definitive answer and I suspect
> guys like NetMasterClass, InternetworkExpert and
> others who are catering to the use of Dynamips have
> already bridged this question and have a firm and
> quotable answer from Cisco that is going to be very
> satisfactoty.
>
> Sorry if this has already come up and I missed it,
> but
> I read GS alot and did not think it passed my eyes
> before.
>
> I must admit that since I own several real racks of
> gear and always have at least one fully reachable
> from
> anywhere on the Internet, this has never been a
> question for me, but I am also concerned since I,
> too,
> am seeing a definate need and place for this
> outstanding little tool called Dynamips. And I love
> the fact that guys like InternetworkExpert support a
> workbook dedicated to it as well.
>
>
> - I know what is this guy thinking at 2:30am in the
> morning... I've got an appointment tomorrow that
> scares the hell out of me and I'm having trouble
> sleeping - no it is not a lab.
>
> :)
>
>
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