From: Joseph Brunner (joe@affirmedsystems.com)
Date: Tue Oct 02 2007 - 04:17:32 ART
"This upcoming group of network engineer's" is more concerned with passing
their certifications in a tightening job market as the US enters a
recession, than worrying about a $250 Billion dollar, Fortune 100 Company's
bottom line is doing...
Cisco makes its money on the backs of Know-nothing-technical, half-wit, Vice
presidents and CIO's that beat the "If I buy Cisco I'll always have a job"
drum until their Cartier Cufflinks pop off their well appointed Armani Prive
custom broadcloth 220's.
How can I say this? I'm a "Cisco adherent"!
I love Cisco. I think their product is the best. But its often ill-deployed
and over purchased. I love Coca-Cola too. But I don't drink 20 bottles of
its rich, dark, High Fructose Corn syrup goodness before bed either...
I walk into many engagements and find crazy things like 8 Sup-32's in boxes
(while all the production switches have Sup720's???), or a box of 100 SFP's
in the closet in a network with all 10/100/1000Gbps blades on 6509E's.
So "don't cry for me Argentina" on this one Darby. I'm sure Cisco's software
licensing KriegsGruppen can stand down on this one, and let it slide. They
need these guys pretty damn bad to keep all this stuff workin'
-Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: Darby Weaver [mailto:darbyweaver@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 2:27 AM
To: Joseph Brunner; 'Scott M Vermillion'; 'Cisco certification'
Subject: OT: Dynamips - Is it legal to use it with Cisco's IOS for Study?
At this point you think this question would have been
answered completely and concisely.
On a forum I am a member of, some of our members are
concerned about the legality of using Dynamips and the
IOS and violating the terms of usage of the IOS as
provided by Cisco's copyright or fair usage etc.
Whatever the exact legal language may be.
A newly formed "watchdog forum" called certguard was
asked about this matter and they consulted the author
of Dynamips and he gave his response - available on
the certguard forum.
Now my question is primarily aimed at the vendors here
since I suspect they have the answer already since
they are offering lab workbooks (one of which I'm
preparing to by at this very moment) and are generally
condoning and supporting the usdage of Dynamips for.
I do not mean to sound "out of my mind" by asking the
question, since obviously this is the best lab prep
tool since a real router came along... and got
affordable on ebay (I do not think Cisco is happy
about that market either - used/gray) but it is a part
of life now too.
So here are the questions:
1. Are users of Dynamips using the IOS illegally and
against what the IOS was designed to do by using it
with Dynamips?
2. Obviously people can do whatever they want in their
own homes, but are forums and lists like groupstudy,
or even vendors to be considered ethically-challenged
for condoning and even recommending the usage of
Dynamips in this fashion.
3. What is Cisco's official take on the matter?
It may sound odd to some of us here, but I have a very
devout group of upcoming networking engineers who care
very much what Cisco thinks and they do not wish to be
amoral, nor appear unethical in any way, and while
some really want to use the product, do not want to
publicly create a legal issue for themselves and the
forums/lists they frequent in the future.
So if anyone has the definitive answer and I suspect
guys like NetMasterClass, InternetworkExpert and
others who are catering to the use of Dynamips have
already bridged this question and have a firm and
quotable answer from Cisco that is going to be very
satisfactoty.
Sorry if this has already come up and I missed it, but
I read GS alot and did not think it passed my eyes
before.
I must admit that since I own several real racks of
gear and always have at least one fully reachable from
anywhere on the Internet, this has never been a
question for me, but I am also concerned since I, too,
am seeing a definate need and place for this
outstanding little tool called Dynamips. And I love
the fact that guys like InternetworkExpert support a
workbook dedicated to it as well.
- I know what is this guy thinking at 2:30am in the
morning... I've got an appointment tomorrow that
scares the hell out of me and I'm having trouble
sleeping - no it is not a lab.
:)
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