From: Guyler, Rik (rguyler@shp-dayton.org)
Date: Mon Sep 17 2007 - 14:31:52 ART
We could design new Faraday Fashions with a built-in anti-RF mesh. It will
be all the craze sooner or later. ;-)
Rik
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Narbik Kocharians
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 11:51 AM
To: Scott Morris
Cc: Gary Duncanson; bdennis@internetworkexpert.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: My CCIE jurney
Actually that would be pretty good since there will always be a shortage of
Wireless CCIEs (just a joke).
On 9/17/07, Scott Morris <smorris@ipexpert.com> wrote:
>
> That depends on the wattage of the antenna and how close you are to
> the actual antenna. I am sure that Cisco would keep this in mind when
> designing a CCIE lab around it. If you kill your test-takers, it's
> not very good PR.
> :)
>
>
> Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
> JNCIE #153, CISSP, et al.
> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of Gary Duncanson
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 7:10 AM
> To: bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
> Cc: Scott Morris; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: My CCIE jurney
>
> Are there known health risk's with wireless? A boss at a previous
> wasn't keen on it as he was of the opinion it fries people's brains.
>
> Gary
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Dennis" <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com>
> To: "Scott Morris" <smorris@ipexpert.com>; "'Joseph Brunner'"
> <joe@affirmedsystems.com>; "'Gary Duncanson'"
> <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com>; "'Neil Moore'" <neil@droopy.com>;
> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 5:23 AM
> Subject: RE: My CCIE jurney
>
>
> > That's cool. The wireless labs for Cisco that I saw used the
> > Faraday cages but they weren't cheap from my understanding.
> >
> > Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
> > bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
> >
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> >
> >>----- Original Message -----
> > Subject: RE: My CCIE jurney
> > Date: Sun, September 16, 2007 19:57
> > From: "Scott Morris" <smorris@ipexpert.com>
> >
> >> That would be an expensive and irritating way to make/take an exam!
> > There's
> >> actually some paint that will absorb RF that I had discusseed with
> >> and passed along to some folks... That (IMHO) is the easier way to
> >> do things, but at the same time, I'm thinking only one per day!
> >> (per location
> >> enabled)
> >>
> >> Cisco has wireless APs all over their campus already, so proctor or
> >> not,
> > the
> >> nuking is the same! :)
> >>
> >> Still nothing official though!
> >>
> >>
> >> Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
> >> #4713,
> > JNCIE
> >> #153, CISSP, et al.
> >> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
> >> VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
> >> IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
> >>
> >> A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning Credits!
> >>
> >> smorris@ipexpert.com
> >>
> >> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
> >> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
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> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> >> Behalf Of Brian Dennis
> >> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 6:09 PM
> >> To: Joseph Brunner; 'Gary Duncanson'; 'Neil Moore';
> >> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >> Subject: RE: My CCIE jurney
> >>
> >> They will more than likely use a Faraday cage to restrict the
> >> wireless signals.
> >>
> >> Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
> >> bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >> >----- Original Message -----
> >> Subject: RE: My CCIE jurney
> >> Date: Sun, September 16, 2007 14:30
> >> From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> >>
> >> > Gosh,
> >> >
> >> > For the proctor's sake, I hope the put the racks of the wireless
> >> > track
> >> out a
> >> > three-mile island, or in the new Yucca Mountain nuclear waste
> facility!
> >> >
> >> > Those guys are already going deaf from the buzz of the fans, now
> >> > they are going to be subjected to increased RF all day!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> >> > Behalf Of Brian Dennis
> >> > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 8:43 PM
> >> > To: Gary Duncanson; Neil Moore; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >> > Subject: Re: My CCIE jurney
> >> >
> >> > The next track appears to be wireless.
> >> >
> >> > Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210 (R&amp;S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
> >> > bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
> >> >
> >> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
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> >> > Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >----- Original Message -----
> >> > Subject: Re: My CCIE jurney
> >> > Date: Sat, September 15, 2007 16:19
> >> > From: "Gary Duncanson" <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com>
> >> >
> >> > > Thank you Neil,
> >> > >
> >> > > Well that's good to know regarding my plans. Have you any ideas
> >> > > on any
> >> new
> >> > > tracks we might see in CCIE in future?
> >> > >
> >> > > Rgds
> >> > > Gary
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From: "Neil Moore" <neil@droopy.com>
> >> > > To: "Gary Duncanson" <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com>
> >> > > Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >> > > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 12:09 AM
> >> > > Subject: Re: My CCIE jurney
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > >I do not see it personally. There are different tracks with
> >> > > >different goals to master in that technology.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Neil Moore CCIE5 #10044 (R/S,Security,SP,Voice,Storage)
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Gary Duncanson wrote:
> >> > > >> Hi Neil,
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> I realise you have no crystal ball but will all these CCIE
> >> > > >> tracks get 'smushed' together at some point or will we see
> >> > > >> even more
> >> > designations in
> >> > > >> future do you think?
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Moore"
> >> > > >> <neil@droopy.com>
> >> > > >> To: "Scott Vermillion" <scott_ccie_list.com@it-ag.com>
> >> > > >> Cc: "'Narbik Kocharians'" <narbikk@gmail.com>; "'Scott Morris'"
> >> > > >> <smorris@ipexpert.com>; "'Guyler, Rik'"
> >> > > >> <rguyler@shp-dayton.org>;
> >> > "'darth
> >> > > >> router'" <darklordrouter@gmail.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >> > > >> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 11:19 PM
> >> > > >> Subject: Re: My CCIE jurney
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>> For me it was just to get a complete set... when I started it
> >> > > >>> was
> >> just
> >> > > >>> R&amp;amp;S,Security and C/S(Now Service Provider) then
> >> > > >>> another came along..
> >> > > >>> then another came along..
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> Neil Moore CCIE5 #10044 (R/S,Security,SP,Voice,Storage)
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> then this CCDE came along ...
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> Scott Vermillion wrote:
> >> > > >>>>> If you are over 70 and still saying things like that
> >> > > >>>>> publicly, then you just bought some of those blue pills
> >> > > >>>> and
> >> > > >>>>> you think it works for everything
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>> FOTFLMAO!! Now *that* was funny!
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>> (come to think of it, anybody know a good, discrete source
> >> > > >>>> for
> >> little
> >> > > >>>> blue
> >> > > >>>> pills?) ;~)
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >> > > >>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]
> >> > > >>>> On
> >> > Behalf Of
> >> > > >>>> Narbik Kocharians
> >> > > >>>> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 11:45 AM
> >> > > >>>> To: Scott Morris
> >> > > >>>> Cc: Guyler, Rik; darth router; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >> > > >>>> Subject: Re: My CCIE jurney
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>> I got my first two in 20 days and the third after 12
> >> > > >>>> months, so it
> >> > was
> >> > > >>>> a
> >> > > >>>> total of 3 in 13 months but to get 4??????, who knows, it
> >> > > >>>> all
> >> depends
> >> > > >>>> on
> >> > > >>>> what you are doing and how comfortable you are with the stuff.
> >> When i
> >> > > >>>> took
> >> > > >>>> security CCIE, the only security appliance in the lab was a
> >> > > >>>> PIX. But nowadays the track has 2 ASAs, one PIX, one VPN and
> >> > > >>>> a 42xx box
> >> plus 9
> >> > > >>>> routers and 2 switches, with may be 1 percent of routing
> >> > > >>>> &amp;amp;
> >> > Switching
> >> > > >>>> stuff
> >> > > >>>> (If that). When i took my security, routing and switching
> >> > > >>>> was a big part of the lab, what i am trying to say is that
> >> > > >>>> there was lots of
> >> > overlapping
> >> > > >>>> stuff
> >> > > >>>> between the three tracks.
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>> Good luck mate, if you can do it, go for it. I will
> >> > > >>>> definitely congratulate you. Based on what you wrote, it
> >> > > >>>> shows lots of confidence.
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>> You are either under 20 or over 70 years of age. If you are
> >> > > >>>> under
> >> 20,
> >> > > >>>> then I
> >> > > >>>> can see where you are coming from. If you are over 70 and
> >> > > >>>> still
> >> > saying
> >> > > >>>> things like that publicly, then you just bought some of
> >> > > >>>> those blue pills and you think it works for everything (just
> >> > > >>>> kidding)
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>> On 9/15/07, Scott Morris <smorris@ipexpert.com> wrote:
> >> > > >>>>> In my case, it was an evolution. If you had asked my back
> >> > > >>>>> when studying for my R&amp;amp;S if I would plan on
> >> > > >>>>> getting more than one, my
> >> response
> >> > would
> >> > > >>>>> have
> >> > > >>>>> been
> >> > > >>>>> "Are you f#*$&amp;amp;ing insane?" :)
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> But as I progressed working in different technology areas,
> >> > > >>>>> and
> >> doing
> >> > > >>>>> the
> >> > > >>>>> recert exams (also qualifying exams) it was kind of natural
> >> > > >>>>> to
> >> play
> >> > > >>>>> around
> >> > > >>>>> with it.
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> Scott Morris, CCIE4
> >> > > >>>>> (R&amp;amp;S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service
> >> Provider)
> >> > #4713,
> >> > > >>>>> JNCIE
> >> > > >>>>> #153, CISSP, et al.
> >> > > >>>>> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
> >> > > >>>>> VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
> >> > > >>>>> IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning Credits!
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> smorris@ipexpert.com
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
> >> > > >>>>> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
> >> > > >>>>> http://www.ipexpert.com
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >> > > >>>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]
> >> > > >>>>> On
> >> Behalf
> >> > > >>>>> Of
> >> > > >>>>> Guyler, Rik
> >> > > >>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 10:44 AM
> >> > > >>>>> To: 'darth router'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >> > > >>>>> Subject: RE: My CCIE jurney
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> Roman has 5 titles to his name but you're right dude...it's
> > insane
> >> > to
> >> > > >>>>> even
> >> > > >>>>> plan it and lay it out. I wonder if Scott, Brian, Narbik
> >> > > >>>>> et al
> >> > really
> >> > > >>>>> planned to get multiple titles or it just kinda evolved
> >> > > >>>>> that way?
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> Rik
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >> > > >>>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]
> >> > > >>>>> On
> >> Behalf
> >> > > >>>>> Of
> >> > > >>>>> darth router
> >> > > >>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 9:55 AM
> >> > > >>>>> To: Ian Blaney
> >> > > >>>>> Cc: midvangur41@simnet.is; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >> > > >>>>> Subject: Re: My CCIE jurney
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> Dang man,
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> pass the crack pipe my way. I think you are definitely
> >> > > >>>>> telling a
> >> > joke
> >> > > >>>>> to
> >> > > >>>>> get
> >> > > >>>>> responses. I do not think that is even possible. Maybe if
> >> > > >>>>> you
> >> are an
> >> > > >>>>> industry expert in all of those areas already, which is
> >> > > >>>>> also a
> > bit
> >> > > >>>>> improbable. You certainly could not have a day job and do
> >> > > >>>>> all
> >> that.
> >> > > >>>>> Anyone can brain dump the written exams.
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> DR
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> On 9/15/07, Ian Blaney <ian.blaney@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > >>>>>> Jon
> >> > > >>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>> All I can say is good luck but trying not to discourage
> >> > > >>>>>> your enthusiasm you may fall to earth with a large BUMP!!!!
> >> > > >>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>> Concentrate on one lab at a time. See how you get on with
> >> > > >>>>>> the
> >> > R&amp;amp;S and
> >> > > >>>>>> take it from there.
> >> > > >>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>> Ian
> >> > > >>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>> On 9/15/07, midvangur41@simnet.is <midvangur41@simnet.is>
> >> > > >>>>>> wrote:
> >> > > >>>>>>> Hello all
> >> > > >>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>> I am new to this list. I have been studying for the CCIE
> >> > > >>>>>>> R%S
> > and
> >> > > >>>>>>> Voice
> >> > > >>>>>> for
> >> > > >>>>>>> the last 12 months and I am taking my 1. attempt for the
> >> > > >>>>>>> CCIE
> >> lab
> >> > > >>>>>>> R&amp;amp;S
> >> > > >>>>>> the 9.
> >> > > >>>>>>> of november. I feel good about my first atempt. I am
> >> > > >>>>>>> confident
> >> > about
> >> > > >>>>>>> internal protocols and layer 2 but I must practice Bgp
> >> > > >>>>>>> and
> >> > > >>>>> multicasting.
> >> > > >>>>>> I
> >> > > >>>>>>> have taken the following aproach to the CCIE:
> >> > > >>>>>>> From 2000 I have been studying for the CCIE
> R&amp;amp;S.
> >> > > >>>>>>> On
> >> the way
> >> > I have
> >> > > >>>>>>> taken few small Cisco exams and I have consentrated my
> >> > > >>>>>>> work
> >> > towards
> >> > > >>>>>>> the
> >> > > >>>>> exam.
> >> > > >>>>>> This
> >> > > >>>>>>> year I have taken 4 CCIE writtens R&amp;amp;S, Voice,
> > Service
> >> > Provider and
> >> > > >>>>>> Storage.
> >> > > >>>>>>> I am consentrating on taking all 4 next 2 years. After
> >> > > >>>>>>> that I
> >> will
> >> > > >>>>>>> take
> >> > > >>>>>> CCIE
> >> > > >>>>>>> security as my last CCIE. Here is my scedule:
> >> > > >>>>>>> 9. nov 2007 CCIE R&amp;amp;S Mars 2008 CCIE SP Aug
> >> > > >>>>>>> 2008 CCIE Voice Des 2008 CCIE Storage May 2009 CCIE
> >> > > >>>>>>> Security
> >> > > >>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>> Everything is possible
> >> > > >>>>>>> Regards
> >> > > >>>>>>> Jon
> >> > > >>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>
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