From: darth router (darklordrouter@gmail.com)
Date: Mon Sep 17 2007 - 01:16:37 ART
Scott,
I think you and Brian Dennis should arm wrestle for the title of
greatest multi IE.
DR
On 9/16/07, Scott Morris <smorris@ipexpert.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks, but I will respectfully decline your offer at this point. I have
> other priorities between work and family that are pushing the Voice CCIE to
> a back burner.
>
> I have no aversion to being a Quint CCIE, but what value does it bring
> me? IPexpert already has two very well-experienced Voice CCIE instructors,
> so it would make no sense for me to teach that class. As it stands, I am
> already a fairly unique individual in the world and I will end up getting
> the Voice CCIE at some point in time, but right now it makes no sense to
put
> any undue notice or pressure in the mix.
>
> Besides, in all honesty, if I was that concerned about public attention or
> anything like that as a motivation to passing the CCIE, >I< would have
> challenged Brian Dennis. :) But it's not on my priority list at the
> moment. I passed the written in January, so I have a year and half to take
> it, and if I don't I'll just take the written again. Not the end of the
> world.
>
> Thanks for the challenge though and the idea of motivation, but at this
> point in time I will decline the offer and simply wish you the best of luck
> in your preparations! Don't forget to let us all know how you do in your
> studies/lab!
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Scott Morris, *CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, JNCIE
> #153**, CISSP, et al.*
> *CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J*
> VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
> IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
>
> A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning Credits!
>
> smorris@ipexpert.com
>
> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
> http://www.ipexpert.com
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* peter morgan [mailto:cciemaha@yahoo.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 16, 2007 6:55 PM
> *To:* smorris@ipexpert.com; Joseph Brunner; darth router
> *Cc:* ccie784; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> *Subject:* Re: Tough Achievement (CCIE # 18807)
>
> Hi Scott,
>
>
>
> I still haven't booked a lab dateI was waiting for your response to find
> a LAB date.
>
>
>
> But don't tell me that you have not taken the challenge because you are
> busy. I think, I am busy as you or Wayne. May be busier than you & him.
> Because we all have same limited time per day or week. So it is just a
> functional difference.
>
>
>
>
>
> Also, based on my understanding you are working as a CCIE instructor,
> Content developer & Consultant. So you always have educational touch &
> playing with Cisco equipments. In addition to that keep in mind that you
are
> Quadruple CCIE. Why don't you like to be a Penta CCIE?
>
>
>
> One more important thing to highlight here; it may be valuable for others.
> With our Cisco voice implementations we are implementing best practices.
But
> CCIE exam is not an implementation/configuration exam of best practices. It
> may or may not include best practices. Therefore even if you have worked in
> the field for 10 years then you may not have enough confidence to pass the
> LAB. If we need to pass the LAB without much hassle we have to directly
> target to the exam.
>
>
>
> Scott, I know you are talented gentlemen; so please don't hide behind your
> boss (Wayne)! Come out & take my challenge . it may be good for your
> future!
>
>
>
> I am really sorry that, if I am troubling you with this challenge; but try
> your best to accept it.
>
>
>
> Rdgs,
>
>
>
> PM
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Scott Morris <smorris@ipexpert.com>
> To: peter morgan <cciemaha@yahoo.com>; Joseph Brunner <
> joe@affirmedsystems.com>; darth router <darklordrouter@gmail.com>
> Cc: ccie784 <ccie784@googlemail.com>; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 1:02:21 AM
> Subject: RE: Tough Achievement (CCIE # 18807)
>
> hehehhe... You make it sound so quaint and black & white. :)
>
> Now, multi-millionaire or not, I'm sure you (or anyone) could agree that
> one person who works with voice stuff every single day may very well have
an
> advantage over someone who doesn't, no matter how smart the other person
> is.... But that's ok.
>
> I'm sure there are others out there who may be interested in taking your
> challenge, perhaps those underprepared but with more free time on their
> hands, or simply those who may have more recent hands-on/in-depth
experience
> in order to compete with a "full-time Cisco Voice engineer".
>
> There are ways to get products without investing money, but it typically
> involves some value-add proposition for both sides. Other than bragging
> rights, and just personal challenge, I have no need to get my Voice CCIE
> (it's pissed me off enough ruining my average!) but I'm sure you can find
> others up to your challenge with a more vested interest, or business
> necessity to get their CCIE.
>
> Generally, relationships start at the proper point in any business and
> progress from there. I'm thinking that targeting the CEO of any company,
> unless that person is more directly involved in the CCIE stuff, would not
be
> the best place to start unless there was some win-win that could be had.
So
> Darth, if your (or anyone else's) target is finding a way to work for
> products then we can always work on coming up with something of value.
>
> So Peter, when's your lab date?
>
>
> Scott Morris, *CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, JNCIE
> #153**, CISSP, et al.*
> *CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J*
> VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
> IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
>
> A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning Credits!
>
> smorris@ipexpert.com
>
> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
> http://www.ipexpert.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* peter morgan [mailto:cciemaha@yahoo.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 16, 2007 4:24 PM
> *To:* Joseph Brunner; smorris@ipexpert.com; darth router
> *Cc:* ccie784; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> *Subject:* Re: Tough Achievement (CCIE # 18807)
>
> Hi Guys,
>
>
>
> This is to inform you that; Scott is not in a position to accept my
> challenge since his boss (Wayne Lawson President-IPExpert Inc. )
contacted
> me & updated me that, he has not authorized to use his products (IPExpert)
> for this challenge. Also he confirmed that, Scott is not a
> Multi-Millionaire. I read little bit about Wayne & his activities. I found
> following URL from google.
>
>
>
> http://www.ipexpert.com/?event=staff&staffid=8769
>
>
>
> Then I was thinking to challenge him rather than challenging Scott since
> he has the CCIE & he has the power to give us the free access. But he is a
> big shot & may be busy gentlemen with his business.
>
>
>
> So guys, you will not be able to get free access for IPExpert products. If
> this goes fine then I would have win it; because I am a full-time Cisco
> Voice engineer.
>
>
>
> Darth, it may be better if you write to Wayne rather than troubling Scott.
> Because Wayne may be the correct gentlemen, who has the power to give a
free
> copy of their SP WB.
>
>
>
> Finally, I have to forget about the challenge & start my studies alone. I
> will update you time to time with my Voice studies. But I guess there is a
> different GS group for Voice. Let's check it outI hope, I can get my Voice
> baby in less than four (4) attempts....
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> PM
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> To: peter morgan <cciemaha@yahoo.com>; smorris@ipexpert.com; darth router
> <darklordrouter@gmail.com>
> Cc: ccie784 <ccie784@googlemail.com>; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 3:51:38 AM
> Subject: RE: Tough Achievement (CCIE # 18807)
>
> Whoa!
>
> Scott probably actually a multi-millionaire, given the lab that requires a
> permit from his local power plant to drain that much power... But he is
> not
> the richest CCIE. That is Tom Cruise, the actor, and number 3 ranking
> member
> of Scientology. He is worth approx $800M USD and he is a CCIE, or so I
> heard... for real... I heard he chose it as one of his challenges to reach
> OT VII.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> peter morgan
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 8:07 PM
> To: smorris@ipexpert.com; darth router
> Cc: ccie784; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Tough Achievement (CCIE # 18807)
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> I know you are a multi millionaire & one of Quadruple CCIEs. And I
> am a small fish who has got the number in my fourth attempt. Here is my
> challenge;
> You dont have voice in your bunch of sticks. I am starting voice
> from today onwards.
> If I get my Voice before you get it then you have to give
> free access to all of your products (IPExpert), to ten (10) of our GS
> members.
> If you get the Voice before I get it then I will buy your Voice product
> (Considering I am a poor guy & you are a multimillionaire).
>
> Do you accept my
> challenge?
>
> If you accept it then both us will get benefits by completing
> Voice & hopefully ten (10) of our GS members..
>
> Have a nice week end,
>
> PM
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Scott Morris <smorris@ipexpert.com>
> To:
> peter morgan <cciemaha@yahoo.com>; darth router <darklordrouter@gmail.com>
> Cc:
> ccie784 <ccie784@googlemail.com>; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Sent: Friday,
> September 14, 2007 4:01:14 PM
> Subject: RE: Tough Achievement (CCIE # 18807)
> Isn't there a special "because you hang out with us" discount? :) There
> are
> monthly specials and different discounts offered all the time, but as a
> general rule the sales folks set those rules. Remember, it can never hurt
> to
> ask for something like that. The worst they can do is laugh at you! ;)
>
> On a
> side note, congratulations Peter!
>
>
> Scott Morris, CCIE4
> (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, JNCIE
> #153, CISSP, et al.
> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
> VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
> IPexpert Sr.
> Technical Instructor
>
> A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning Credits!
> smorris@ipexpert.com
>
> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
> http://www.ipexpert.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> peter morgan
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 8:09 AM
> To: darth router
> Cc: ccie784;
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Tough Achievement (CCIE # 18807)
>
> No Man!
> It is a joke...
>
> Brian, Scott think about to give free access or better
> discounts to all of
> GS members (including DR & me) May be your gentlemen will
> have close IE &
> IPexpert becuase most of CCIE candidates are GS members.
>
> I
> think Brain already given it to me. So I may be out of selection...I am
> waiting till IE voice products release....
>
> PM
>
>
> -----
> Original Message ----
> From: darth router <darklordrouter@gmail.com>
> To: peter
> morgan
> <cciemaha@yahoo.com>
> Cc: ccie784 <ccie784@googlemail.com>;
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 2:57:48 PM
> Subject:
> Re: Tough Achievement (CCIE # 18807)
>
> LOL!
>
>
> On 9/14/07, peter morgan
> <cciemaha@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Thanks Darth!
>
> You r a real naughty boy!
>
> You r
> always looking at the back
> side of girls!
>
> Brian, Scott don"t give him
> anything free; because he is a
> naughty boy (Not like me)!
>
> Peter
>
> -----
> Original Message ----
> From: darth
> router <darklordrouter@gmail.com>
> To:
> ccie784 <ccie784@googlemail.com >
> Cc:
> peter morgan <cciemaha@yahoo.com>;
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Sent: Friday,
> September 14, 2007 2:16:39 PM
> Subject:
> Re: Tough Achievement (CCIE # 18807)
> Grats man on the CCIE man!
>
> So all we
> gotta do for free stuff is complain!
> Brian, I could use some free stuff! I
> will gladly complain!. Scott Morris,
> could you please get on this bandwagon as
> well? I would like your service
> provider workbook! :)
>
> DR
>
>
> On 9/14/07,
> ccie784 <ccie784@googlemail.com>
> wrote:
> Congratulation !! Nice post. IE is
> great vendor, no doubt!!
>
> On
> 9/14/07, peter morgan <cciemaha@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > I was able
> to catch my fish in 10th September 2007. Got my
> green
> > number (18807) in my
> 4th attempt. I have never given up & keep on
> doing
> > the
> > exam. Here is my
> small story. It is like a fairy tail.
> >
> > I
> have passed my
> > first R&S Written
> in May 2004. Then it has expired after 18
> months without
> > taking an attempt.
> Then I got a free Cisco partner voucher
> from my office
> > &
> > used it to get my
> written back in Feb 2006. I was keeping
> on study from
> > there
> > onwards & I
> was able to take few months of continuous
> leave from my office
> > for
> > the
> exam. But I was not in confidence to sit for
> the exam in 2006. I came
> > to
> >
> another country for a new job. I got lots of
> free time after I changed my
> >
> job
> > & then started to study in a schedule.
> >
> > Finally I have decided to
> take & LAB
> > attempt in April 2007. It was a
> disaster for me. Also I was not
> able reach
> > the
> > LAB location in the
> correct
> time because the CAB driver was
> not able to
> > find
> > the place & he
> lost the
> way. I lost around 50mins in my first attempt. I
> > have
> > taken
> another
> attempt in May 2007 thinking that I failed because of short
> > of
> >
> time.
> >
> >
> For my 2nd attempt I have booked a
> hotel very close (Walking
> >
> Distance) to
> the LAB location. I went the LAB before 30mins earlier. But
> > it
> > was another
> disaster. Then I realized that I
> am lack of knowledge. Then I
> >
> have
> > stared
> to re-read many of books &
> bought one of famous vendors work
> book.
> >
> Previously I have been using their
> old work books which has download
> from
> > a
> > free site. Then after few months
> I went back to the LAB.
> >
> > My 3rd
> attempt
> > scheduled in Aug 2007. I booked
> same hotel & went early to the
> place. I
> >
> was
> > able to understand many of
> questions & was able to answer
> properly. But
> I
> > sucked in few occasions
> because of my mistakes & taken time
> to recover
> >
> from
> > them. After the LAB I
> got the same result (Failed).
> >
> >
> Then I came
> back &
> > written down all of my
> mistakes. I was able to identify
> my main
> weakness
> > as
> > the lack of hands on
> practice & not the knowledge. So
> I have
> decided to
> > buy
> > rack sessions from
> IE & I have booked racks in
> every day &
> week ends
> > double or
> > triple rack
> sessions. I have studied with
> less number
> of sleeping hours
> > (4-5
> > hours per
> day). Also I got another
> schedule for the
> LAB on 10th September
> > 2007. So I
> have studied very hardly
> without even
> taking proper sleep. I
> > think
> > your
> guys can remember one of my
> previous
> posts of IE rack support issue
> > . I
> >
> was not able to find the
> place to get
> support at that time from IE. But
> >
> Brian
> > & his great IE staff
> guided me &
> cleared my issue. Then next day morning I
> > have realized that I
> have
> addressed the case not nicely &
> apologize from
> > Brian. Because I was in
> different mind set when I was doing
> my practice
> > labs.
> > Then Brian sent me &
> email with telling that he has
> decided to stop
> > posting to
> > GS because of
> the
> > threats of people like me.
> I got really upset because I knew that there
> > are
> > many candidates in GS
> like me who are expecting support from people
> like
> > Brian, Scott & other
> senior CCIEs. So I begged him & apologize from him
> > with
> > many emails.
> Finally he accepted my apology. By the time Brian asked
> me to
> > provide
> details of the products which I have bought from IE.
> Because
> he
> > was
> >
> thinking to provide more support via his sales team.
> Actually I
> haven t
> >
> bought
> > any of products from IE & I was using one of my
> friend s
> old IE
> materials.
> > But
> > anyway I was thinking to buy their COD
> within few
> days
> because many people
> > recommended it. Then I have sent few
> package
> selections
> which I am
> > expecting
> > to buy from IE, expecting a good
> discount.
> But in a
> nice morning I checked
> > my
> > mail box & found an email
> from Brian.
> He has
> given access to IE WB VOL I,
> > VOL
> > II, VOL III, and
> Advanced
> Technology COD
> & also Online Boot Camp. Brian
> > has
> > gone ahead &
> given me
> the access to
> above
> > materials free of charge. Also he has doubled
> my rack
> sessions by his
> > sales
> > team. Also he asked me that, if I want more
> products then to update
> him. I
> > was
> > not able to believe this & get upset
> about what I have done by
> sending
> > email
> > to GS complaining their rack
> support. I told Brian that I
> will do
> > anything to
> > recover the damage
> which
> I was trying to do by posting
> it un-necessarily
> > to GS
> > (They have
> great/quick support option in IE member
> area named as ticketing
> > system. I
> was not aware about the option
> previously. They provide support
> > within few
> minutes when you get an error).
> But Brian just wanted to pass
> > the
> > exam
> with his gift. He never expected
> anything from me. I was really upset
> > about
> what was happened & thinking
> about Brian s good heart. So, Brian
> > requested
> only my pass of exam. I have
> decided to pass my exam anyhow in
> > 10th
> >
> September 2007. I worked very
> hardly & never slept some days. I used Brian
> > s
> > gift-rack sessions, COD
> materials, etc .I
> > have scheduled many racks
> (Actually I have scheduled one
> in the LAB day
> > morning as well). So I was
> doing my rack practice & study
> without
> > considering
> > about any other thing.
> I haven t called to my friends,
> family members &
> > forgot
> > many my personal
> life activities. But I went to
> office in every week day
> > as
> > usual. When I
> got a free time then I started
> to listen to IE COD. Finally
> > I
> > got sick
> because of the lack of sleep. I
> got a dynamic toothache (Changing
> > from one
> place to another place day by
> day) & a painful skin rash. I haven
> > t
> > gone
> to meet a doctor (I have free
> health insurance from company). I used
> > detol
> for the tooth ache & decided
> to take medicine after the exam. I have
> > kept
> on study forgetting about the
> pain.
> >
> > The day was 9th September 2007, I
> >
> have traveled to Dubai. Stay in
> the same hotel (Tulip Inn- Knowledge
> >
> Village).
> > I have entered the hotel
> 11.00PM in the night. Slept till 5.00AM
> in the
> > next
> > day (Lab Day) morning.
> After a wash I I have practiced 30
> minutes with my
> > scheduled IE rack. Then I
> walked to the Cisco Building; Went
> to 3rd floor
> > as
> > usual. I was the first
> one came to the place. So three of
> other candidates
> > were there later. One of
> Indian girl, also among the
> candidates. Procter
> > (Yosuf) called us to come in
> to the LAB 5 minutes
> earlier. He explained
> > the
> > next schedule. One
> candidate came in to the LAB
> 30 mins later because his
> > driver taken him a
> ride. I have started the LAB as
> I planned earlier. Read
> > all
> > the LAB book &
> drawn few diagrams. It has
> taken 30 mins for me. Suddenly I
> > got
> > something
> like de-hydration in the
> LAB & I drunken water in many times.
> > Also
> > went
> toilet many times. (May be
> side effects of my previous hard study).
> > Procter
> called for the lunch; I was
> just in my schedule. So we had good
> > lunch
> >
> with procter s advice. Yosuf
> (Dubai Procter) is really nice gentlemen.
> >
> Because
> > four of my attempts I
> have seen him handling candidates nicely.
> >
> >
> So, after
> > the lunch I have
> scored many points with fast typing. As I planned final
> > hour
> > used for the
> testing. I used Brian s score sheet method. Based on Brian s
> > score sheet my
> score was 96. May be 100 because I have not revised my
> > answers
> > when I come
> back. I knew that I have 16 marks buffer.
> >
> > After the exam I went
> > to
> Dubai City centre & bought few items. I was stuck there in the long
> > taxi
> >
> queue. Finally I was able catch my flight & came back. I have logged into
> >
> the
> > site & found that my number & pass. I
> was not able sleep & next day went
> > to
> > office as usual. I sent my first
> email to Brian but he has not replied
> > yet.
> > May be he has not received my
> email or he has blocked me because of
> so
> > many
> > emails sent by me.
> >
> > So
> guys my advice is work hard & gets it
> with your
> > effort. Don t wait till your
> number comes to you. Just work hard &
> get it.
> > I
> > have taken four attempts &
> I got four different LABS. So it has
> not
> > repeated
> > to me. So don t expect
> it. Some people saying that it has
> happened to
> > them;
> > but it may be very
> rare case. One person asked same
> question from Procter
> > & he
> > told that
> there are many LABs. But sometimes
> they may repeat.
> >
> > I can only
> >
> recommend IE materials & Racks because I
> have passed with them & Brian s
> >
> good
> > hart. I have no words to thank Brian
> & IE. Thanks a million tims ..to
> > Brian &
> > IE.
> >
> > Believe me Brian is a
> really good hatred man!!!!!!!!!! He
> is a really
> > sensitive person. Brian my
> hat s off to you for nice preparing
> material &
> > support!
> >
> > Note: Guys, don
> t post any un-necessary emails to GS
> or Brian by
> > following me to get free IE
> products. I still feel bad about
> what I have
> > done
> > even after I got my
> number. Actually I was in another
> mentality &
> > different
> > world when I am
> posting that complain to GS. ( I can
> say that was not me
> > that
> > was my dark
> side of the mind). Sorry guys!
> >
> >
> Finally I must thank to GS;
> > without GS I
> will never get anything for this
> year.
> >
> > Thanks to all the GS
> > members for
> the being here. I learnt a lot
> from your discussions.
> >
> > Bye for
> > now,
> >
> >
> PM
> > CCIE # 18807
> >
> >
>
>
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