From: Joseph Brunner (joe@affirmedsystems.com)
Date: Fri Sep 14 2007 - 11:51:43 ART
I used to think this way Gary...
But here is my problem. Companies pay big $$$ for software. Because software
is visible, it's on the desktop, and it's not "back in the closet" where no
one sees it. It's not the salary I'm concerned with. It's the respect and
attention of the business. They need to understand that their network is
even MORE critical than their applications. Their applications won't work at
all without a well built, well functioning, well managed network.
I consulted at a $65 Billion dollar hedge-fund management firm on Park Ave.
They have NO full time network anything, (not even a ccna). They are a
global firm, whose business day (and network) never stops. They have plenty
of PM's, software developers, Q&A people, etc.
Why doesn't this kind of company have a network staff, despite having a
large Cisco based network with 6500's etc...
Because they don't understand or care about networking. "Its just there".
We parted ways.
The only way you can see how much you are respected is by how much you are
paid. It's sad it has come to this. How can you feel good about working
somewhere you and what you do are not valued by the organization?
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Duncanson [mailto:gary.duncanson@googlemail.com]
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 10:44 AM
To: Joseph Brunner
Cc: Marc La Porte; darth router; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Service Provider jobs vs Enterprise
I wouldn't be so quick to judge. Many companies simply don't want to pay the
six figures a good number of us earn and some of them still make good hires.
To that I will add that you will find a good number of VERY capable people
working on wages you would turn your nose up at. When it comes to salaries
personal circumstances as well as location often come into play as does the
size of the company sometimes.
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
To: "'Marc La Porte'" <marc.a.laporte@gmail.com>
Cc: "'darth router'" <darklordrouter@gmail.com>; "'Cisco certification'"
<ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 1:57 PM
Subject: RE: Service Provider jobs vs Enterprise
> Then they aren't serious. If you pay $80k you get $80k's worth of senior
> network guy. As a consultant I go to a new company almost every month, so
> I
> see it all. The people I find making around that much, have left the place
> in such shambles and know so little, well the management brings in me....
>
> LOL
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Marc
> La Porte
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 8:29 AM
> To: Joseph Brunner
> Cc: darth router; Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: Service Provider jobs vs Enterprise
>
> Would you considering Amsterdam a major city?
> If I say 60k (euro) / 80k ($) then most employers will laugh at me
>
> Marc
> CCNP/CCDP/CCIP/CCSP
> CCIE R&S Candidate
> 9 years of experience in support, design, consultancy and sales
>
>
> On 9/14/07, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com> wrote:
>>
>> Where are you located? 100k? We have help desk staff that make that!
>>
>> Are you kidding? The CCIE is worth about 170k plus 30% bonus...
>>
>> Move to a major city (NYC, LONDON, BERLIN)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> darth router
>> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 2:31 AM
>> To: Cisco certification
>> Subject: Service Provider jobs vs Enterprise
>>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> I have worked at a small ISP (about 20k customers). I was not payed all
>> that
>> well. Now I have a CCIE, and am wondering do the service provider jobs
>> pay
>> vs the Enterprise jobs? I would love to get around 100k, and not have to
>> travel. It seems that the majory of CCIE jobs I see on the various jobs
>> sites all pay around 100k, some more some a little less. The CCIE gets
>> you
>> treated pretty well if you work for a cisco reseller. Can anyone tell me
>> the
>> pros and cons to working for a service provider with a CCIE? Are there
>> still
>> a lot of service providers that even want CCIEs? from the very limited
>> view
>> I have on service providers it seems like many are moving away from cisco
>> gear in favor of other vendors. I would love some advice here. I just got
>> my
>> CCIE and I feel like I am just starting to finally get somewhere in my
>> career. I want my next job to the the right job, and a job I want to
>> stick
>> with for some years.
>>
>>
>> DR
>>
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