From: Petr Lapukhov (petr@internetworkexpert.com)
Date: Fri Sep 07 2007 - 07:03:24 ART
Hi all,
I would like to add that MPLS/VRF techonlogies may be as all seen
nowdays in Enterprise sector, where they are used moslty for resource
virtualization. Pretty good move, I must say :)
However, I could hardly imagine MPLS in current R&S track. After all,
MPLS is just a building layer for a number of applications (L3/L2 VPNs,
TE). Just to set up an MPLS network you would need to configure tons
of stuff: mp-BGP, RSVP, label distribution. This would take considerable
amount of time out of other topics like basic routing and switching.
The way I perceive future CCIE lab examinations, is that they will
eventually step off "barebones" and move to "heavily" preconfigured
topologies, where candidate's task is to troubleshoot and configure
a few number of "complex" tasks (not a big bunch of "simple" tasks
like nowdays).
For instance you can get a rack with L2/IGP/BGP/mpBGP/MPLS
preconfigured, and your task is to bring network to baseline and partition
the topology into virtual segments, as well as configure some advanced
features (like end-to-end QoS).
Just IMHO, though :)
-- Petr Lapukhov, CCIE #16379 (R&S/Security/SP) petr@internetworkexpert.comInternetwork Expert, Inc. http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
2007/9/7, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>: > > >Add MPE (meeting place express) > > Wasn't this the red-headed stepchild with flees? Shouldn't we just call it > webex enterprise? LOL > > I once had a tac case and they wanted me to get on meetingplace. Tac > couldn't get it working with Firefox or IE 7, so we gave up and USED MY > WEBEX! > > LOL > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of > Brad > Ellis > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 1:09 AM > To: Greg Wendel > Cc: Colin McNamara; Marc La Porte; Colby Reed; Cisco certification > Subject: RE: R&S Lab Changes per 01/01/2008? > > No, I haven't heard anything other than some conversations that were had > during networkers (but nothing that is/was confirmed). So for now, it's > all hearsay. From one angle, I'd expect some type of announcement of > changes within the next few months. From another perspective, there is a > certain RFP in the works that might cause the lab exam to stay > consistent for a while...we'll just have to see. Personally, I'd like > to see the following happen: > > > > R&S - add a 6500 switch for a core switch. Pull the 3550s. Add MPLS for > the core and get ride of FR. > > Voice - Go straight to UC 6.0. skip 5.x. Add MPE (meeting place express) > > Security - Go with all ISR routers (remove the old 2600s). Yank the > VPN3005 and IPS4235. Stick an IPS module in the ASAs. Add clean access > and MARS. > > > > Wireless needs to go somewhere...rumor mill had it for the R&S lab exam, > but with some internal changes at Cisco, I've heard it might be it's own > CCIE. > > > > My $.02 > > > > thanks, > > Brad Ellis > > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security) > > CCSI# 30482 > > CEO / President > > CCBOOTCAMP - A Cisco Sponsored Organization (SO) > > Email: brad@ccbootcamp.com > > Toll Free: 877-654-2243 > > Direct: +1-702-968-5100 = Outside the USA > > FAX: +1-702-446-8012 > > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits! > > Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com > > > > Register to win a free iPhone! http://www.ccbootcamp.com/iphone.html > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Greg Wendel [mailto:gwendel@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 4:21 AM > To: Brad Ellis > Cc: Colin McNamara; Marc La Porte; Colby Reed; Cisco certification > Subject: Re: R&S Lab Changes per 01/01/2008? > > > > Brad, > Are you writing the above as an educated guess or as a veiled reference > to some inside information? > > We know you have some good sources. Forgive me if this question is out > of bounds. > > Thanks, > > On 9/6/07, Brad Ellis <brad@ccbootcamp.com> wrote: > > Considering it's been added to the written and seems to be the "weapon > of choice" in the industry, I would think MPLS on the R&S lab exam could > definitely be a possibility. > > > thanks, > Brad Ellis > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security) > CCSI# 30482 > CEO / President > CCBOOTCAMP - A Cisco Sponsored Organization (SO) > Email: brad@ccbootcamp.com > Toll Free: 877-654-2243 > Direct: +1-702-968-5100 = Outside the USA > FAX: +1-702-446-8012 > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits! > Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com > > Register to win a free iPhone! http://www.ccbootcamp.com/iphone.html > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto: nobody@groupstudy.com > <mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com> ] On Behalf Of > Colin McNamara > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 3:13 PM > To: Narbik Kocharians > Cc: Marc La Porte; Colby Reed; Cisco certification > Subject: Re: R&S Lab Changes per 01/01/2008? > Importance: Low > > If you follow Cisco's definition of Enterprise vs Commercial, then MPLS > is most definitely showing up in the enterprise. It is clearly defined > in the NGN SRND's (next generation networks) and referenced in Cisco > press literature. > > I have personally been seeing it used to address specific business needs > in the enterprise space (fortune 1000) lately. I have not seen it much > in the commercial space (@500 employees). In that space it is more > likely to see techniques such as vrf-lite, or layer 2 virtualization > used to address these needs. > > -- > Colin McNamara > (858)208-8105 > CCIE #18233 > "The difficult we do immediately, the impossible just takes a little > longer" > > > On Thu, 2007-09-06 at 14:38 -0700, Narbik Kocharians wrote: > > Well that's why i am saying that even though i agree with Brian, MPLS > can be > > considered to be Enterprise.. > > > > On 9/6/07, Marc La Porte <marc.a.laporte@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Did you guys see this from Himawan's (triple CCIE) blog? > > > > > > http://brokenpipes.blogspot.com/2006_06_01_archive.html > > > http://brokenpipes.blogspot.com/2006_05_01_archive.html > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > On 9/6/07, Colby Reed <mighty.penguin@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > I agree with you guys too and don't want an email war either, but > IMHO, > > > I > > > > believe MPLS is moving towards the enterprise, so it may show up > on the > > > R&S > > > > in the next couple of years. > > > > > > > > There is a video on Cisco.com <http://cisco.com/> that details how > Rice > > > > University just rolled out the first MPLS campus network, and we > are > > > > following their lead by rolling it out next year. > > > > > > > > I know of several other institutions that are doing the same with > their > > > > campus, so look for this to be a hot upcoming topic in the > enterprise. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Colby > > > > > > > > On 9/6/07, Narbik Kocharians < narbikk@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I totally agree with Brian, but you could have your own MPLS > cloud. I > > > do > > > > > not > > > > > want to disagree with Brian and start an e-mail war, but the > chances > > > are > > > > > there. > > > > > > > > > > On 9/6/07, Brian McGahan < bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt that MPLS would be added to the R&S exam. R&S > has > > > > > > traditionally been an Enterprise exam, and MPLS is not an > Enterprise > > > > > > technology. Besides from the customer's perspective they > could have > > > > > an > > > > > > interface running Frame Relay and then in the provider cloud > it > > > could > > > > > be > > > > > > tunneled over MPLS. This is why MPLS is reserved for the SP > track, > > > as > > > > > > it's > > > > > > transparent to the Enterprise customer. > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593 (R&S/SP/Security) > > > > > > bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Internetwork Expert, Inc. > > > > > > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com < > > > http://www.internetworkexpert.com/> > > > > > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987 x 705 > > > > > > Outside US: 775-826-4344 x 705 > > > > > > 24/7 Support: http://forum.internetworkexpert.com > > > > > > Live Chat: http://www.internetworkexpert.com/chat/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] > On > > > Behalf > > > > > Of > > > > > > > Marc La Porte > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 8:52 AM > > > > > > > To: Cisco certification > > > > > > > Subject: R&S Lab Changes per 01/01/2008? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone heard if there's going to be any R&S lab blueprint > changes > > > > > per > > > > > > > 01/01/2008? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm thinking of things like: > > > > > > > - no more 3550s > > > > > > > - mpls instead of frame relay > > > > > > > - etc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > Subscription information may be found at: > > > > > > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Subscription information may be found at: > > > > > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Narbik Kocharians > > > > > CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security) > > > > > CCSI# 30832 > > > > > www.Net-WorkBooks.com <http://www.net-workbooks.com/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > > > > Subscription information may be found at: > > > > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > > Subscription information may be found at: > > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > > _______________________________________________________________________ > Subscription information may be found at: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > > _______________________________________________________________________ > Subscription information may be found at: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > > > > > -- > Gregory Wendel > Springfield VA, 22153 > > _______________________________________________________________________ > Subscription information may be found at: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > > _______________________________________________________________________ > Subscription information may be found at: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
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