From: Gary Duncanson (gary.duncanson@googlemail.com)
Date: Fri Sep 07 2007 - 07:09:03 ART
The reading you do for the written is your foundation for deeper
understanding of protocol behavior in your lab prep. It all starts with
theory and the written is no cakewalk. What you learn on the written journey
can be pure gold for your lab preparations, providing you with understanding
and insights post written while you work labs as opposed to providing you
with the realisation that there is an ever growing list of books you should
have read before you embarked on lab prep.
I still read my books, but the reading list is more of a reference list now
as I covered them thoroughly for my written test. Certainly the reading time
I put in is helping me immensely in my practical studies for the lab. When I
look at a final config it makes a lot of sense. I put a lot of that down to
my diligence in written prep.
So far as written prep is concerned you either know it all anyway or read
the books, or do the dumps and read less. Those who skip necessary reading
thanks to reliance on testking will suffer in lab prep and lab time. A few
weeks before a lab might be a bad time to be learning the rudiments of
deterministic MED.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Caleb Dick" <CalebD@aos5.com>
To: "Darby Weaver" <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>; "Guyler, Rik"
<rguyler@shp-dayton.org>; "'Joseph Brunner'" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>;
<ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 12:30 AM
Subject: RE: I suck
>I applaud all efforts and determination to acieve this goal. One of the
>things I found as an instructor is that the smartest people usually
>struggled on tests. They tend to over analyze the task . I always told my
>student to remember KISS, keep it simple stupid, give the test what it
>wants nothing more nothing less.
>
> As for your comment about the testkingers out there, while there may be
> some, not everyone attempting the CCIE has vast hands on experience. The
> first time I touched a 6500 was last week and I am taking the lab in
> February, not that it really matters sinnce it is not on the equipment
> list. There are plenty of people out there who can read a book and test
> on it, although I have a couple years experience, I am one of them. I do
> not have the experience needed to pass the lab yet but I blew the written
> away. It was networking theory. A written test is much different then a
> practical exam. So, just because someone is having trouble with the
> practical side of this milestone, dont assume they memorized a bunch of
> questions to get there. Some people stress under pressure and dont know
> how to deal with it. Maybe I am wrong, but I dont see someone using
> testking for the written blowing 1250 for the lab, unless their company is
> paying for it and then they will be disappointed.
>
> Just my two cents.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Darby Weaver" <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> To: "Guyler, Rik" <rguyler@shp-dayton.org>; "'Joseph Brunner'"
> <joe@affirmedsystems.com>; "ccielab@groupstudy.com"
> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: 9/6/2007 2:38 PM
> Subject: RE: I suck
>
> Thanks Rik,
>
> I'm not too far away and I feel fairly confident in my
> day-to-day job tasks.
>
> I just need more grease in the core areas. I started
> last night greasing the wheels again.
>
> My day-to-day has helped soldify any gaps with a
> number of subjects - so this will add a bit of
> confidence on lab day.
>
> However, it's the interpretation that is the killer.
>
> Prioritzing and re-prioritizing competing goals for
> time is always the hardest part for me.
>
> Later
>
>
> --- "Guyler, Rik" <rguyler@shp-dayton.org> wrote:
>
>> Heh...don't forget getting older as the ol' memory
>> ain't what she used to
>> be!
>>
>> Honestly Darby, after reading your posts for the
>> last few months I think you
>> have to be in a similar situation as Joe is. I'm
>> sure you're not that far
>> off. Me, I feel a million miles away but I just
>> recently started hitting
>> the studies again hard so I'm not blowing off the
>> rust...more like scraping
>> it. ;-)
>>
>> Rik
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Darby Weaver [mailto:darbyweaver@yahoo.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 9:39 PM
>> To: Guyler, Rik; 'Joseph Brunner';
>> ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: RE: I suck
>>
>> Well...
>>
>> Don't feel that badly old buddy.
>>
>> I'm mostly in the same boat. Hitting the brick and
>> mortar and working from
>> the bottom up again.
>>
>> Going back through each technology to ensure I can
>> do it and explain how I
>> did it. Lately, I've had a bit of difficulty
>> explaining things as detailed
>> as I feel I should and this is probably why I'm
>> still not quite over the
>> threshold just yet.
>>
>> So...
>>
>> You got company.
>>
>>
>> --- "Guyler, Rik" <rguyler@shp-dayton.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Joe, I don't think there is a doubter among us
>> where your passing is
>> > concerned. I think you're doing it right by
>> jumping right back into
>> > it. I didn't after my two attempts and regret
>> taking time off. I
>> > plan to hit it again in Arpil and if I don't pass
>> then again in May or
>> > June. After that the accounting department will
>> have to see if I have
>> > any funds left since this is out of pocket for me.
>> ;-)
>> >
>> > Rik
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
>> > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Joseph
>> Brunner
>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 9:19 PM
>> > To: 'Jorge Martinez'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > Subject: RE: I suck
>> >
>> > Not long... I have already scheduled a lab date
>> for next month.
>> > I encourage everyone else who fails to be as
>> serious. In a few decades
>> > at best we'll be dead, lying in a nursing home
>> with our bodies in
>> > stasis, or long forgotten by our grateful
>> children. You don't have
>> > time to "see how my friend does on the lab", "Wait
>> until my boss wants
>> > me to get my CCIE", I hear it all...
>> >
>> > I'm actually running a bunch of stuff through my
>> lab tonight. I'll be
>> > reading the DocCD all weekend, analyzing the
>> wording of the real thing
>> > again and again as I go, compared to the IE WB's
>> and my own
>> > understanding how dependant tasks rely on early
>> things... remember
>> > it's a challenge to build it, then not break it.
>> >
>> > I'll probably do about 120 hours hands-on and 100
>> hours reading the
>> > next month. I keep everything in excel sheets with
>> notes about what to
>> > re-read, lab up. One thing I did this last time
>> was make my own study
>> > notes based on the IE Labs, my vs. the brian's
>> solutions, etc.
>> > Those should come in handy I
>> > expand my horizon on what is a possible challenge
>> with seemingly
>> > simple stuff, etc.
>> >
>> > Have fun!
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Jorge Martinez [mailto:jorge_bgp@yahoo.com]
>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 9:04 PM
>> > To: Joseph Brunner; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > Subject: Re: I suck
>> >
>> > Congratulations that now you are confident on
>> those points (and took
>> > them from that Monster !!!), and should be your
>> motive to go for the
>> > third attempt, ...
>> > you know now how to get the hardest ones
>> > (BGP/QoS/Security) and go for the next ones !!!
>> >
>> > How long you will wait for the next one?
>> >
>> > Jorge
>> >
>> > --- Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Who gets all the BGP/QOS/SECURITY points and
>> STILL
>> > FAILS the LAB?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > LOL,
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Joe
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
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