From: Scott Vermillion (scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com)
Date: Sat Sep 01 2007 - 16:15:59 ART
Well, these -8PC models are relatively new, so I don't think there's a
big used market out there yet (but there will be as some of us start
picking up our numbers, LOL). I bought mine new. There are a couple of
online sources you could consider:
www.cdw.com
www.newegg.com
I do business with CDW all the time but have never purchased from NewEgg.
I personally was able to call a Cisco distributor locally that I have
sent a few million dollars worth of revenue to over the years. They gave
me a pretty big discount relative to the price found in either of the
above sources, but this was done as a one-time deal. I cannot obtain or
help anyone obtain that same pricing from the same source, unfortunately.
Regards,
Scott
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Dynagen folks...
From: ISolveSystems <support@isolvesystems.com>
Date: Sat, September 01, 2007 1:09 pm
To: "Scott Vermillion" <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>, "Cisco
certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Hi Scott,
May I know where the best place to buy cheap 3560?
Thanks.
On 9/1/07, Scott Vermillion < scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com> wrote:
Joe,
I know you're busy preparing for your upcoming lab, so you've
probably
been ignoring my "blog" over on the board. With much help from
the
Brians, I have a Dynamips-based router server up and running with
four
physical 3560 switches. So I can indeed have two "routers"
talking over
a multi-hop dot1q trunk chain.
I suppose you have a point on the interface problem thing. I
don't wish
that on anybody during their lab. Sure, it's an everyday thing
that you
might have to deal with in real life, but I think the lab has
enough
built-in stress w/out that kind of nonsense!
Regards,
Scott
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: Dynagen folks...
From: "Joseph Brunner" < joe@affirmedsystems.com>
Date: Sat, September 01, 2007 3:52 am
To: "'Scott Vermillion'" <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>, "'Cisco
certification'" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Things that can go wrong with the real gear, and only with the
real
gear...
Will burn your time bad in the real lab to try and fix (loops,
bad
interfaces, two routers talking together through 3 switches
over a
dot1q-tunnel, etc)
I'm not saying you can't learn the technologies on the dynagen,
but
I'm
saying spend some practices sessions on a full 10 piece rack.
That's all
Happy Dynagening...
-Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto: nobody@groupstudy.com] On
Behalf
Of
Scott Vermillion
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 12:38 AM
To: Cisco certification
Subject: RE: Dynagen folks...
I am a true Dynamips/Dynagen believer and have built my lab
prep
"rack"
around it/them. Please explain, Joe, how I will fail the CCIE
lab
because of it ("nothing else can prepare you for the real
thing")?
What
is it about that "feel" that makes the difference (can you go
"feel"
the
routers during the practical? Can you "feel" the routers in
that
remote
rack?)?
This has the potential to becom e the next "CCIE vs. college
degree"
topic, me thinks. It's probably not a very good use of
bandwidth,
come
to think of it LOL, but I can't resist asking you to elaborate
on
these
seemingly unfounded generalizations. I would prefer that you
answer
with
"I have hardware routers and I also run Dynamips/Dynagen on a
machine
of
sufficient horsepower, and here are the things I can do on the
former
that I can't do on the latter *that matter in the lab* (i.e.
don't
tell
me about toggling the power switch...yawn...you can't do that
in the
lab
anyway by all accounts I've ever heard).
I'll start, going the opposite direction:
I run Dynamips/Dynagen on a machine of sufficient horsepower,
and I
can
directly capture traffic from a router interface into a .cap
file and
scrutinize every one and zero using open source WireShark. When
I
want
to do that w/ physical routers, I have to use Ethernet (no
serial)
and
set up a span port on a switch or put a hub in between the two
routers,
with a machine running WireShark hanging off of the hub (and
I'm
obviously in HDX at this point, which means the test
environment is
different than the non-test environment). Otherwise, I'm
limited to
only
debug. I, of course, acknowledge that you're limited to only
debug in
the lab, but in your preparation for the lab, it's powerful to
have
such
a tool at your disposal so that you can truly understand what's
going
on
under the hood when you see certain debug output.
BTW, I'm told Juniper has this capability to write .cap files
on
physical
routers, but I cannot personall y verify. I have never heard of
such
a
capability on Cisco routers, but I'd love to be proven wrong.
There are more, of course, but I've already stated many of them
in
other
recent threads and posts...
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Dynagen folks...
From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
Date: Fri, August 31, 2007 9:53 pm
To: "'Cisco certification'" < ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Nothing feels as good as the real thing. And else nothing can
prepare
you
for the real thing.
(Remember if you only have had sex with a condom, your still a
virgin, LOL)
Check out the Brian's racks!
http://www.affirmedsystems.com/photos/IERACKS.JPG
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