From: Narbik Kocharians (narbikk@gmail.com)
Date: Wed Jul 18 2007 - 14:00:15 ART
Excellent point
On 7/18/07, Eric Dobyns <eric_dobyns@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> And don't forget there are Voice CCIEs, Security CCIEs, SP CCIEs,
> etc. None
> of them are likely to know how to run a point-to-point OSPF connection
> across a multipoint link without having to research it. They didn't have
> to
> learn it for their test and how many times in life do you have to do that
> in
> the real world? Just because they are a "CCIE" doesn't mean they know
> everything Cisco off the top of their head.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Scott Morris
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 11:33 AM
> To: 'Edison Ortiz'; 'Colin McNamara'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: Cisco Certified Internetwork Architect ?
>
> That, and there are always things that a person may not know/remember
> whether they are CCIE or not! I mean, Appletalk was on my lab, but don't
> expect me to remember all that much about it off the top of my head these
> days! :)
>
> Scott
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Edison Ortiz
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 11:52 AM
> To: 'Colin McNamara'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: Cisco Certified Internetwork Architect ?
>
> You will find 'paper <insert professional certification>' in all aspects
> of
> life.
> A CCIE cert will most likely get you the interview, but you have to show
> what you know on a daily basis. The challenge does not end once you pass
> the
> Lab.
>
>
> After the Lab, you are challenged everyday *and* that's good because if
> you
> aren't challenged - you will forget within months time.
>
>
> Edison Ortiz
> Routing and Switching, CCIE # 17943
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Colin McNamara
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 11:24 AM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Cisco Certified Internetwork Architect ?
>
> Well, none of the people I work with are lazy. But I have seen paper
> CCIE's
> out there. I couple years ago I caught one in an interview. He couldn't
> demonstrate basic understanding of network protocols.
>
> Weird thing is, his # checked out as valid. I guess he is proof of those
> rumors that you can buy labs in the far east. It is pretty sad actually.
>
> --
> Colin McNamara
> (858)208-8105
> CCIE #18233
> "The difficult we do immediately, the impossible just takes a little
> longer"
>
>
>
> On Wed, 2007-07-18 at 07:44 -0700, Narbik Kocharians wrote:
> >
> >
> > Don't get me wrong i totally agree with you, but its just that i find
> > it hard to believe that there are paper CCIEs. May be there are, who
> > knows?
> >
> > But remember that some people have the wrong attitude and/or are very
> > lazy and some are very conservative, some people don't know what the
> > behavior of a certain configuration is going to be and how it would
> > affect things.
> >
> > He could be having a bad day, but his ability or inability should not
> > be a reflection of others.
> >
> > I know this other gentleman that has two CCIEs but this person is
> > extremely lazy and likes to be given a task and the configuration
> > commands so he can just enter the commands. The question is "Does he
> > know his stuff?" YES but he has a bad attitude and extremely lazy.
> > just my 2 cents.
> >
> >
> > On 7/18/07, Mohamed, Liban [NTK] <Liban.Mohamed@sprint.com> wrote:
> > Nabrik,
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't remember if he had SP or RS, but one could hope, once
> > you get CCIE, you should @least have the ability to look
> > through a feature via CCO, and read about it. So let's assume
> > you pass your RS, and you take consulting gig that require
> > MPLS, should one say (oohh I have RS, I can't configure MPLS)
> > or you take the task and read the technology and implement,
> > It's like when someone finishes School, all that means is you
> > can know read and do your own research J
> >
> >
> >
> > Liban Mohamed
> >
> > NTAC-IP
> >
> > Sprint/Nextel
> >
> > www.sprint.net
> >
> > liban.mohamed@sprint.com
> >
> > (W) 678-291-3438
> >
> > (PCS) 404-441-9701
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Narbik Kocharians [mailto:narbikk@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 2:44 AM
> > To: Mohamed, Liban [NTK]
> > Cc: Colin McNamara; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >
> >
> > Subject: Re: Cisco Certified Internetwork Architect ?
> >
> >
> > Was this guy that couldnt configure Soo for EIgrp an SP CCIE?
> >
> > On 7/17/07, Mohamed, Liban [NTK] <Liban.Mohamed@sprint.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Man don't remind me paper CCIE, when I see them it really
> > discourage me to get my #. When CCIE can't configure soO for
> > EIGRP, then you have to worry. But I really think multiple
> > CCIE can help you consulting position, which will attract the
> > client, Maybe I will change my thinking once I get my 1st
> > IE# :)
> >
> >
> > Liban Mohamed
> > NTAC-IP
> > Sprint/Nextel
> > www.sprint.net
> > liban.mohamed@sprint.com
> > (W) 678-291-3438
> > (PCS) 404-441-9701
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> > Behalf Of Colin McNamara
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 11:18 PM
> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: Cisco Certified Internetwork Architect ?
> >
> > Well, let me just say that I am the only CCIE on my team with
> > a Single
> > CCIE. All the other CCIE's have 2 - 5. If I wasn't an
> > internal referral
> > I would not have even been on the radar for a job here.
> >
> > I think back to 2000 or so, where if you had you # you could
> > get a job
> > practically anywhere. Now there are alot more CCIE's in the
> > world, along
> > with a few labrats / paper CCIE's (trust me.. I have seen
> > them). Now the
> > ticket anywhere has been bumped up a notch to multiple
> > CCIE's.
> >
> > --
> > Colin McNamara
> > (858)208-8105
> > CCIE #18233
> > "The difficult we do immediately, the impossible just takes a
> > little
> > longer"
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 2007-07-17 at 21:45 -0400, E.A. McCaleb wrote:
> > > Even if you have multple certs (CCIE's) Im pretty sure it
> > doesn't help in
> > > regards to partnership. In other words, if you need four
> > CCIE's for gold
> > > partnership one quad IE will not do. It has to be four
> > individuals with a
> > > CCIE certification.
> > >
> > > EM
> > >
> > >
> > > On 7/17/07, Colin McNamara <colin@2cups.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Having multiple certs is also huge if you are in the
> > Partner world.
> > > > It enhances your standing in the channel, and allows you
> > as an SE to
> > > > look better on paper to the customer.
> > > >
> > > > --Colin
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 2007-07-17 at 18:58 -0500, Mohamed, Liban [NTK]
> > wrote:
> > > > > trible CCIE works well if you teaching, bu
> > > >
> > > >
> >
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> >
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