From: Eric Dobyns (eric_dobyns@yahoo.com)
Date: Wed Jul 18 2007 - 13:46:21 ART
And don't forget there are Voice CCIEs, Security CCIEs, SP CCIEs, etc. None
of them are likely to know how to run a point-to-point OSPF connection
across a multipoint link without having to research it. They didn't have to
learn it for their test and how many times in life do you have to do that in
the real world? Just because they are a "CCIE" doesn't mean they know
everything Cisco off the top of their head.
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Scott Morris
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 11:33 AM
To: 'Edison Ortiz'; 'Colin McNamara'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: Cisco Certified Internetwork Architect ?
That, and there are always things that a person may not know/remember
whether they are CCIE or not! I mean, Appletalk was on my lab, but don't
expect me to remember all that much about it off the top of my head these
days! :)
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Edison Ortiz
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 11:52 AM
To: 'Colin McNamara'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: Cisco Certified Internetwork Architect ?
You will find 'paper <insert professional certification>' in all aspects of
life.
A CCIE cert will most likely get you the interview, but you have to show
what you know on a daily basis. The challenge does not end once you pass the
Lab.
After the Lab, you are challenged everyday *and* that's good because if you
aren't challenged - you will forget within months time.
Edison Ortiz
Routing and Switching, CCIE # 17943
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Colin McNamara
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 11:24 AM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Cisco Certified Internetwork Architect ?
Well, none of the people I work with are lazy. But I have seen paper CCIE's
out there. I couple years ago I caught one in an interview. He couldn't
demonstrate basic understanding of network protocols.
Weird thing is, his # checked out as valid. I guess he is proof of those
rumors that you can buy labs in the far east. It is pretty sad actually.
-- Colin McNamara (858)208-8105 CCIE #18233 "The difficult we do immediately, the impossible just takes a little longer"On Wed, 2007-07-18 at 07:44 -0700, Narbik Kocharians wrote: > > > Don't get me wrong i totally agree with you, but its just that i find > it hard to believe that there are paper CCIEs. May be there are, who > knows? > > But remember that some people have the wrong attitude and/or are very > lazy and some are very conservative, some people don't know what the > behavior of a certain configuration is going to be and how it would > affect things. > > He could be having a bad day, but his ability or inability should not > be a reflection of others. > > I know this other gentleman that has two CCIEs but this person is > extremely lazy and likes to be given a task and the configuration > commands so he can just enter the commands. The question is "Does he > know his stuff?" YES but he has a bad attitude and extremely lazy. > just my 2 cents. > > > On 7/18/07, Mohamed, Liban [NTK] <Liban.Mohamed@sprint.com> wrote: > Nabrik, > > > > I don't remember if he had SP or RS, but one could hope, once > you get CCIE, you should @least have the ability to look > through a feature via CCO, and read about it. So let's assume > you pass your RS, and you take consulting gig that require > MPLS, should one say (oohh I have RS, I can't configure MPLS) > or you take the task and read the technology and implement, > It's like when someone finishes School, all that means is you > can know read and do your own research J > > > > Liban Mohamed > > NTAC-IP > > Sprint/Nextel > > www.sprint.net > > liban.mohamed@sprint.com > > (W) 678-291-3438 > > (PCS) 404-441-9701 > > > > > > From: Narbik Kocharians [mailto:narbikk@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 2:44 AM > To: Mohamed, Liban [NTK] > Cc: Colin McNamara; ccielab@groupstudy.com > > > Subject: Re: Cisco Certified Internetwork Architect ? > > > Was this guy that couldnt configure Soo for EIgrp an SP CCIE? > > On 7/17/07, Mohamed, Liban [NTK] <Liban.Mohamed@sprint.com> > wrote: > > Man don't remind me paper CCIE, when I see them it really > discourage me to get my #. When CCIE can't configure soO for > EIGRP, then you have to worry. But I really think multiple > CCIE can help you consulting position, which will attract the > client, Maybe I will change my thinking once I get my 1st > IE# :) > > > Liban Mohamed > NTAC-IP > Sprint/Nextel > www.sprint.net > liban.mohamed@sprint.com > (W) 678-291-3438 > (PCS) 404-441-9701 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On > Behalf Of Colin McNamara > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 11:18 PM > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com > Subject: Re: Cisco Certified Internetwork Architect ? > > Well, let me just say that I am the only CCIE on my team with > a Single > CCIE. All the other CCIE's have 2 - 5. If I wasn't an > internal referral > I would not have even been on the radar for a job here. > > I think back to 2000 or so, where if you had you # you could > get a job > practically anywhere. Now there are alot more CCIE's in the > world, along > with a few labrats / paper CCIE's (trust me.. I have seen > them). Now the > ticket anywhere has been bumped up a notch to multiple > CCIE's. > > -- > Colin McNamara > (858)208-8105 > CCIE #18233 > "The difficult we do immediately, the impossible just takes a > little > longer" > > > On Tue, 2007-07-17 at 21:45 -0400, E.A. McCaleb wrote: > > Even if you have multple certs (CCIE's) Im pretty sure it > doesn't help in > > regards to partnership. In other words, if you need four > CCIE's for gold > > partnership one quad IE will not do. It has to be four > individuals with a > > CCIE certification. > > > > EM > > > > > > On 7/17/07, Colin McNamara <colin@2cups.com> wrote: > > > > > > Having multiple certs is also huge if you are in the > Partner world. > > > It enhances your standing in the channel, and allows you > as an SE to > > > look better on paper to the customer. > > > > > > --Colin > > > > > > On Tue, 2007-07-17 at 18:58 -0500, Mohamed, Liban [NTK] > wrote: > > > > trible CCIE works well if you teaching, bu > > > > > > >
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