From: Ryan (ryan95842@gmail.com)
Date: Fri Jun 22 2007 - 17:14:11 ART
Well, we all know YOU are not...
It just seems that anytime there is any possibility of any kind of hardware
change/addition to the lab, half the list population gets all up in arms
about this being unfair or that being too hard or whatever. Look at the
giant ordeal that became of the additional switches a year ago...
If we are studying for the CCIE, we, as candidates, should not be intimidate
or surprised by anything the test makers throw at us. I'm surprised they
even post the hardware list/IOS. The way I see it, the CCIE is like the
"Special Forces" of networking. Your supposed to be elite and prepared for
almost anything. Granted you can not try out every possible scenario, but if
you train in the fundamentals and the technology and theory, you should be
able to walk into the lab and given a set of requirements and hardware, meet
the objectives and accomplish the goal. Their is no whinnying about how many
switches you have to configure or whether or not your router is a 3800 or a
2500. You take what they give you, meet the objectives and accomplish the
mission. Period.
Same with a job/contract. As a CCIE, you walk in to the customers site and
discover all kinds of things going on. You don't get to complain or whine to
the customer that their network is too complex or they have old cat 5505's
or whatever. You don't get to walk out and say it's too hard or you never
worked on X before. Instead you grab the doc CD, learn what you need too,
and make their network work.
Now with my rant/diatribe over, I'll step off the ole soap box. So if we are
strictly talking about a wish list for what we would like to see in the lab,
sure, I'd love to have a 6500 or 3 or 4 in there. Is it going to change
anything? Nope, I don't think so...be pretty cool though...
just my 2cents...
-Ryan
On 6/22/07, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ryan,
>
> I dont think that anyone is scared, we are just stating out wish list,
> that's all. I don;t think that anyone is scred of any protocol or
> technology.
>
>
> On 6/22/07, Ryan <ryan95842@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > 65xx/76xx
> >
> > It's a freaking router people!!! (ok, Multi-layer switch)...what's the
> > big
> > deal???
> >
> > Why is everyone so scared and intimidated of the thing? I seriously
> > don't
> > get it...
> >
> > Maybe someone could explain why it's so "hard" to use one...I've been
> > using
> > them for over 6 years...so what. Nothing on the 6509 I've done has
> > required
> > any kind of magical super talent/knowledge.
> >
> > It's just another piece of hardware folks...big whoop.
> >
> >
> > -Ryan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 6/22/07, Joe Mama <jsmith1234550@gmail.com > wrote:
> > >
> > > All,
> > >
> > > One more thing....
> > >
> > > Every large company will buy a 6500 and Cisco really doesn't need to
> > > market this platform all that much as the 3560. Most companies I've
> > > worked for use them for Access, Dsitribution, Core, etc. There really
> > > is no competiton; a 6500 is awesome!
> > >
> > > If every CCIE knows the 3560, then, when they go to make a choice for
> > > a small site, etc/ they will know all of the features and choose the
> > > trusty switch that got them their ccie......you see what i mean? The
> > > CCIE is a good way for Cisco to market their newer products that are
> > > not that well klnown but are great for a small site. Cisco's main
> > > competion is in this area. In some of our very small sites, we run
> > > 2811's / 3560's / 3845's and they are fantastic and extremely powerful
> > > (in RAM and feature set capability, etc..) and I certainly am very
> > > comfortable with them due to my studies, etc. and would not even
> > > propose another type of network device (from another company) because
> > > I am so confident in their abilities.
> > >
> > > The 3560 and 3845 platforms are great! Of course, for any decent size
> >
> > > campus, only 65xx-E with SUP720x will do, but Cisco really doesn't
> > > need to push this. Also, as was mentioned, having 4 6500's in a
> > > regualr R&S lab would limit the number of people going for CCIes which
> >
> > > would not be good for Cisco......
> > >
> > >
> > > Joe
> > >
> > > Andre
> > >
> > > Joe
> > >
> > > On 6/22/07, Gary Duncanson <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com > wrote:
> > > > Yeah,
> > > >
> > > > In some situations a CCIE is a metric of what you should be
> > *capable*
> > > of,
> > > > not necessarily what you can *do* straight off the bat.
> > > >
> > > > Nobody knows everything. The CCIE provides as much as is reasonable
> > on
> > > the
> > > > 'stuff to learn' and 'stuff to do' front. How far a candidate
> > chooses to
> > > > take that is a variable.
> > > >
> > > > For example the recommended reading list does covers a lot of things
> > > that
> > > > are not tested in the lab but are still potentially very useful to
> > know.
> > > >
> > > > I think it's very useful for a CCIE to have at least a handle on
> > > switching
> > > > platforms that are not tested but if you check the recommended
> > reading
> > > > list..its there in Kennedy Clark and has been for 8 years..
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ciscopress.com/bookstore/product.asp?isbn=1578700949&rl=1
> > > >
> > > > So you can certainly get some knowhow there during the course of
> > your
> > > CCIE
> > > > studies.
> > > >
> > > > In the lab today, ISDN etc is off. That doesn't mean we won't ever
> > find
> > > ISDN
> > > > out there or DLSW+ or connections to DEC/VAX someplace.
> > > >
> > > > But whatever you come up against in the world of work I would say
> > having
> > > a
> > > > CCIE probably demonstrates to an employer that you are quite capable
> > of
> > > > figuring more than a few things out.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Scott Morris" <smorris@ipexpert.com>
> > > > To: "'Jason Plank'" < Jason_Plank@condenast.com>; "'Serdar Kut'"
> > > > <kutserdar@gmail.com>; "'Narbik Kocharians'" < narbikk@gmail.com>
> > > > Cc: "'Mike Kraus (mikraus)'" <mikraus@cisco.com>; "'Eric Dobyns'"
> > > > < eric_dobyns@yahoo.com>; "'Digital Yemeni'" <
> > digital.yemeni@gmail.com>;
> > > > <ccielab@groupstudy.com >
> > > > Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 4:29 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: Rumor mill time - Cat 6500 on R&S lab exam?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > What are you looking for the CCIE to do for you? If you are
> > telling
> > > me
> > > > > that
> > > > > a person who has his/her CCIE cannot reasonably sit down and
> > FIGURE
> > > OUT
> > > > > the
> > > > > 6500 or new things, then I'd say that person didn't study enough
> > for
> > > their
> > > > > exam and got pretty damned lucky.
> > > > >
> > > > > Nobody knows everything. And you can't design a test around
> > > everything.
> > > > > While marketing people would love you for saying it's their top
> > > product, I
> > > > > would say that certainly has to do with what market/application
> > you
> > > are
> > > > > playing in. If it's all you see, I'm happy for you, but it's not
> > all
> > > > > that's
> > > > > out there!
> > > > >
> > > > > So how many pieces of equipment would you like to see show up in
> > the
> > > CCIE
> > > > > lab?
> > > > >
> > > > > Not having touched and knowing nothing are two completely
> > different
> > > > > concepts. There are many blades on a 6500 I haven't touched
> > before,
> > > but
> > > > > I'd
> > > > > like to think I could figure them out if needed! THAT is being a
> > > CCIE.
> > > > > Not
> > > > > necessarily touching anything and everything.
> > > > >
> > > > > Relax and focus on the important things.
> > > > >
> > > > > Should you need to renew/retake your drivers license if you decide
> > you
> > > > > want
> > > > > an SUV instead of a car, or a hybrid instead of a "regular"
> > car? Or a
> > > > > pickup truck?
> > > > >
> > > > > I mean... They ARE different.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
> > #4713,
> > > JNCIE
> > > > > #153, CISSP, et al.
> > > > > CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
> > > > > VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
> > > > > IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
> > > > >
> > > > > A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning Credits!
> > > > >
> > > > > smorris@ipexpert.com
> > > > >
> > > > > Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
> > > > > Fax: +1.810.454.0130
> > > > > http://www.ipexpert.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Jason Plank [mailto:Jason_Plank@condenast.com]
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 5:33 PM
> > > > > To: Scott Morris; 'Serdar Kut'; 'Narbik Kocharians'
> > > > > Cc: 'Mike Kraus (mikraus)'; 'Eric Dobyns'; 'Digital Yemeni';
> > > > > ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: Rumor mill time - Cat 6500 on R&S lab exam?
> > > > >
> > > > > So you think it helps the value of the CCIE that it can produce a
> > CCIE
> > > > > that
> > > > > knows NOTHING about a 6500? What is cisco's top product? What are
> > you
> > > > > considered if you are a CCIE. Doesn't mesh in my mind.
> > > > >
> > > > > Totally disagree.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 6/21/07 1:38 PM, "Scott Morris" <smorris@ipexpert.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Should it matter?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The CCIE tests your knowledge of technologies, not product.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The stuff you can do with a 6500 at a basic switching technology
> > > level
> > > > >> isn't really any different than the switches we currently
> > have. If
> > > we
> > > > >> start taking service modules, that's different, but that's a
> > whole
> > > new
> > > > >> technology base.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> *shrug* HUGE expense difference not only for them to rollout,
> > but
> > > > >> foreveryone to study!
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
> > #4713,
> > > > >> JNCIE #153, CISSP, et al.
> > > > >> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
> > > > >> VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
> > > > >> IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
> > > > >>
> > > > >> A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning Credits!
> > > > >>
> > > > >> smorris@ipexpert.com
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
> > > > >> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
> > > > >> http://www.ipexpert.com
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > > >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> > Behalf
> > > > >> Of Serdar Kut
> > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 4:55 AM
> > > > >> To: Narbik Kocharians
> > > > >> Cc: Mike Kraus (mikraus); Eric Dobyns; Digital Yemeni;
> > > > >> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > >> Subject: Re: Rumor mill time - Cat 6500 on R&S lab exam?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I actually agree with Narbik..It is a big shame not to be aware
> > of
> > > > >> 6500 and 4500 chasis and config tricks for a CCIE I think. And
> > also,
> > > > >> as a CCIE, most of time I deal with big chasis, not much with
> > 3560s
> > > or
> > > > > less.
> > > > >> It should be good I think
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Serdar Kut
> > > > >> CCIE#18130
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On 6/20/07, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Actually i hope they do that, because that would be the closest
> > > thing
> > > > >>> to the real world. No matter where you go these days, you see at
> > > > >>> least one 6500 series up and running. I think it would benefit
> > the
> > > > > program.
> > > > >>> You may see a 3560 here and there, but you will definitely see a
> > lot
> > > > >>> of firms having 6500 series. To be honest i typically see a
> > mixture
> > > > >>> of 4000/4500 and a 6500 in a collapsed core design.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On 6/19/07, Mike Kraus (mikraus) <mikraus@cisco.com> wrote:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Not sure of the point of that in the R&S lab.... Really don't
> > see
> > > > >>>> them starting to test on the service modules on the 6500 in the
> > > R&S.
> > > > >>>> And, in many cases the 3560 has greater feature velocity. So,
> > it
> > > > >>>> would cost the CCIE program more money, a more rack space, but
> > > > >>>> doesn't really give them many more test topics.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > > > >>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> > > Behalf
> > > > >>>> Of Eric Dobyns
> > > > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 6:30 PM
> > > > >>>> To: 'Digital Yemeni'; 'Narbik Kocharians'
> > > > >>>> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > >>>> Subject: RE: Rumor mill time - Cat 6500 on R&S lab exam?
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> I believe you have a 3550 and 3 3650 all running L3, which
> > > basically
> > > > >>>> means you've got 13 routers to deal with.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > > > >>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com ] On
> > > Behalf
> > > > >>>> Of Digital Yemeni
> > > > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 5:49 PM
> > > > >>>> To: Narbik Kocharians
> > > > >>>> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > >>>> Subject: Re: Rumor mill time - Cat 6500 on R&S lab exam?
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> nope nope! Cisco has recently faced some severe budget
> > limitations
> > > > >>>> and brought back the 2500s and L2 1900 switches!! :p
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Brad, since you're a Cisco Sponsored Organization, the
> > confirmation
> > > > >>>> (not the
> > > > >>>> question!) should come from you isn't it? ;-)
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> On 6/20/07, Narbik Kocharians < narbikk@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> I heard 85xx and 12xxx
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> On 6/19/07, Brad Ellis < brad@ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Anyone else hear this?
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> thanks,
> > > > >>>>>> Brad Ellis
> > > > >>>>>> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> > > > >>>>>> CCSI#30482
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> > YES!
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> > > > >>>>> CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
> > > > >>>>> CCSI# 30832
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> > $$
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