From: Leigh Nash (leigh@net-elite.org)
Date: Fri Jun 15 2007 - 11:02:29 ART
I think the Adobe software made quite an improvement.
The previous software had a terrible time with fast forward, among other
things.
The Adobe audio is much better and the video looks crisp too.
You can adjust the size of the display if you have a hard time reading the
command line.
The IE Service Provider material is dreamy to watch in this new format.
Leigh
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-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Digital Yemeni
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 7:02 AM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: training material question
I absolutely agree that Adobe Flash screwed up the contents! Even the
command line in some of the videos looked horrible .....FYI, this is due to
the message...."You are now in Review Mode. Any choices selected will not be
tracked" :)
The previous software was an excellent in terms of audio that sync normally
with the video frames.
On 6/15/07, Farrukh Haroon <farrukhharoon@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I personally think IE has an excellent COD for both R/S and Security,
> but their decision to go with Adobe was a big mistake. There was no
> sync problem with Audio / Video with their previous software, it even
> worked fine on Dail-up.
>
> Getting rid with Adobe and getting something better would solve all this.
>
> Regards
>
> Farrukh
>
> On 6/15/07, Gary Duncanson <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> > IE is certainly popular.
> >
> > I have IPExpert's workbook at the moment and I think it's a very
> > good product. I may try a second vendor book later on for variety.
> >
> > Groupstudy is very helpful. I don't pay too much attention to
> > sadikhov
> as
> > that place is full of posts about written dumps.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Erich Herzog" <erichherzog@gmail.com>
> > To: <jslauer@hotmail.com>
> > Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 12:52 AM
> > Subject: Re: training material question
> >
> >
> > > Look at the groupstudy prof board, and sadikhov. When people
> > > volunteer that they have passed, I think all that I have seen have
> > > said they used IE.
> > Not
> > > to say other WBs are not good, thats just what the community seems
> > > to
> be
> > > saying.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Erich
> > > On 6/15/07, jslauer@hotmail.com <jslauer@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I Completely agree,
> > >>
> > >> I've been more than satisfied with every product out there (with
> > >> exception of that one) so I'm onboard with that statement.
> > >>
> > >> Josh
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Brian Dennis" <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com>
> > >> To: <jslauer@hotmail.com>
> > >> Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > >> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 6:20 PM
> > >> Subject: RE: training material question
> > >>
> > >> Please don't take what I said wrong. What I'm saying is that
> > >> people should really look into a vendor's "track record" and not
> > >> get fooled
> by
> > >> fancy marketing and/or flashy websites when searching for CCIE
> > training.
> > >>
> > >> Good Luck!
> > >>
> > >> Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
> > >> bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
> > >>
> > >> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > >> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> > >> Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: jslauer@hotmail.com [mailto:jslauer@hotmail.com]
> > >> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 2:51 PM
> > >> To: anthony.sequeira@thomson.com; narbikk@gmail.com; Brian Dennis
> > >> Cc: broyster9@gmail.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > >> Subject: Re: training material question
> > >>
> > >> I would agree,
> > >>
> > >> counting CCIE's on a vendors website is not a very accurate metric
> > >> considering many people use products from multiple vendors and give
> > >> testimonials to multiple vendors. Personally, I used products from
> most
> > >> of
> > >> the vendors. I only attended one training class (NetmasterClass) and
> > >> they
> > >> were the bomb. I had good success with all the products with
> exception
> > >> of
> > >> one vendor who does not even exist anymore.
> > >>
> > >> Josh
> > >> CCIE 16024
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: <anthony.sequeira@thomson.com>
> > >> To: <narbikk@gmail.com>; <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com>
> > >> Cc: <broyster9@gmail.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > >> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 4:41 PM
> > >> Subject: RE: training material question
> > >>
> > >> > Counting the peeps on the site is the last thing I would do when
> > >> > choosing a vendor. In fact, I would never bother to do it.
> > >> >
> > >> > After passing using the materials of several vendors, I would
> > >> recommend
> > >> > the following:
> > >> >
> > >> > 1. Ask for a sample or tour of the product you are considering.
> > >> Evaluate
> > >> > the materials carefully.
> > >> >
> > >> > 2. Explore the Support options that are available with the vendor.
> Do
> > >> > they have chat, forums, 800 numbers, etc. Are these actually
> > monitored
> > >> > by qualified employees of that company?
> > >> >
> > >> > Something else to consider is using multiple vendors. While vendors
> > >> > certainly do not want to hear that recommendation, most here,
> > >> including
> > >> > myself, believe that some vendors excel at certain products
> compared
> > >> to
> > >> > others.
> > >> >
> > >> > Anthony J. Sequeira
> > >> > #15626
> > >> >
> > >> > P.S. I used products from InternetworkExpert and NetMasterClass and
> > >> both
> > >> > were excellent. Support was lacking at InternetworkExpert, but I
> > >> believe
> > >> > they have that solved now.
> > >> >
> > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf
> > >> Of
> > >> > Narbik Kocharians
> > >> > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 4:00 PM
> > >> > To: Brian Dennis
> > >> > Cc: Brent Royster; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > >> > Subject: Re: training material question
> > >> >
> > >> > Brian,
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > You have a point, but what you fail to mention is the following:
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Your statement does NOT reflect the truth; it fails to mention the
> > >> > actual
> > >> > number of passing students relative to the number of attendees,
> which
> > >> I
> > >> > would surmise to be a low percentage.
> > >> >
> > >> > If Vendor-1 has 10 students and 3 pass, Vendor-1 has a passing
> > >> > percentage of
> > >> > 30 percent. But if Vendor-2 has 100 students and only 16 pass,
> > >> > Vendor-2's
> > >> > ratio is 16 percent, that does not mean that Vendor-2 has a better
> > >> > product,
> > >> > from Vendor-2's perspective, it has 16 passing students versus 3,
> but
> > >> > the
> > >> > truth of the matter is that Vendor-1 has a better percentage and
> > >> > product.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On 6/14/07, Brian Dennis <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> You can get a good idea as to the number of people that are
> passing
> > >> >> using a particular vendor's products and classes by looking over
> > >> their
> > >> >> CCIE lists and customer feedback. As a side note any vendor that
> > >> > tells
> > >> >> you it doesn't matter how many people are using their products and
> > >> >> classes to pass the CCIE lab won't have a long list of CCIEs on
> > their
> > >> >> website ;-)
> > >> >>
> > >> >> --
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
> > >> >> bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > >> >> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> > >> >> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> > >> >> Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
> > >> >>
> > >> >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf
> > >> > Of
> > >> >> Brent Royster
> > >> >> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 7:06 AM
> > >> >> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > >> >> Subject: training material question
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I am interested in buying one of the class on demand options from
> > >> >> multiple
> > >> >> vendors. Its mentioned on the websites that these are like full
> > >> >> bootcamps.
> > >> >> has anyone who passed the lab used this material? If so how well
> > >> > would
> > >> >> you
> > >> >> rate it?
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >>
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> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > Narbik Kocharians
> > >> > CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
> > >> > CCSI# 30832
> > >> > Network Learning, Inc. (CCIE class Instructor)
> > >> > www.ccbootcamp.com (CCIE Training)
> > >> >
> > >> >
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-- Best Regards! Digital, CCIE# to be assigned by Cisco when it collects enough $$ out of me! :p
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