From: Narbik Kocharians (narbikk@gmail.com)
Date: Fri Jun 08 2007 - 04:13:43 ART
Girls,
I am not sure who is right and who is wrong, but I have one question from
all of you guys, is it possible that the person that made NLI's website
and/or Internetwork expert's website innocently just did a search and copied
the page in order to provide a service to the students?
I want all of you to understand that neither Internetwork Expert nor NLI are
charging the students for that information.
I see both Brian and Victor's point in this matter, and I believe its
nothing but a simple innocent mistake, since the information is neither
NLI's nor Internetwork expert's intellectual property, it's a simple summary
of what is freely available on Cisco's website, so basically what we are
talking about is the actual format of the documentation, which I believe it
sucks any way (just a joke). It's not like these guys copied each others
work books.
I am sure once both parties talk to the webmaster of their company, they
will find out as to what happened and the problem will be corrected
(Reformat the freaking document).
On 6/7/07, Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Everyone,
>
> Victor only asked why it could not be the other way
> around. A reasonable question.
>
> He has not been at NLI for 6 months just yet as I
> recall. Maybe, what, 4 months as I seem to recall.
>
> Just because he asked the question does not make him
> personall unethical. Let's reserve that statement for
> the party who actually copied the other company's work
> and posted it as their own.
>
> I know Victor on a more personal level, and I for one,
> do not believe he lacks ethics.
>
> Victor has worked hard to get where he is and just
> because he posted a link from his company here on GS,
> that looks to be exactly the same as the one of a
> competitor does not make him unethical.
>
> Now, I would wonder when he site posted their page
> since it seems to be an "interesting battle of ethics"
> between two companies.
>
> Someone obviously took the time to research the issue
> and to figure out which features applied to which
> version of IOS.
>
> So who is right and who is wrong?
>
> Brian Dennis asserts very strongly that he created
> this work orginally and even has a link to it as early
> as the date listed/marked on Groupstudy at minimum.
> This may very well be the truth.
>
> Now the question would be how long the link has been
> up at NLI (to be fair).
>
> I am sure Brad Ellis and his team are looking into
> this one by now.
>
> ------------
>
> But let's not attack an employ of the company who has
> not been proven to be personally liable (unless the
> company he his working for is willing to put his neck
> on the line as well - since this is serious and could
> be career-affecting).
>
> So now the question is:
>
> When did NLI post their that information on their
> site?
>
> Now if they should be able to produce proof that their
> site had it first... are we going to hear an apology?
> Or if they don't - again will we here an apology?
>
> While someone obviously had to submit the information
> for posting on NLI's site, and it may have even been
> Victor, at the moment none of us, know this to be true
> at this time.
>
> Let's give Victor a small reprieve - he is getting
> ready for a CCIE Lab at the moment and I am sure he
> personally has better uses for his own mental
> energies.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Brian Dennis <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Victor,
> > So your company9s website ends up with a document
> > that I wrote over 6 months
> > ago (see below) and then you have the audacity to
> > publicly accuse me of
> > stealing it from you? I9ve seen some pretty poor
> > ethics on this list over
> > the years but I wouldn9t have expected it from you
> > personally.
> >
> >
> http://www.groupstudy.com/archives/ccielab/200611/msg00970.html
> >
> > --
> >
> > Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
> > bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
> >
> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> > Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
> >
> >
> >
> > On 6/7/07 5:37 PM, "Victor Cappuccio"
> > <victor@ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Brian,
> > >
> > > No, I ( WE ) did NOT copy the web page into "the
> > company web server", Why
> > It
> > > could not be as the other way around?
> > >
> > > I am not the web master of my company web server,
> > So I would advice you to
> > > address your concerns to support@ccbootcamp.com
> > >
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > > Victor Cappuccio.-
> > > - CCSI# 31452
> > >
> > > Network Learning Inc - A Cisco Sponsored
> > Organization (SO) YES! We take
> > > Cisco Learning credits!
> > > victor@ccbootcamp.com
> > > http://www.ccbootcamp.com (Cisco Training and
> > Rental Racks)
> > > http://www.ccbootcamp.com/groupstudy.html
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> > > FAX: 702-446-8012
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Brian Dennis
> > [mailto:bdennis@internetworkexpert.com]
> > > Sent: Thu 6/7/2007 8:15
> > > To: Victor Cappuccio; thomas.rader@freesurf.ch;
> > ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: Re: 3550/3560 feature comparison [mx]
> > >
> > > Victor,
> > > So you just copied the page that I wrote
> > months ago and put it up on
> > > your site?
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/resources/ccie-3560-3550.htm
> > >
> > http://www.ccbootcamp.com/tech-notes/3550vs3560.html
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210
> > (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
> > > bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
> > >
> > > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> > > Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 6/7/07 12:39 AM, "Victor Cappuccio"
> > <victor@ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> > This link may help you
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > http://www.ccbootcamp.com/tech-notes/3550vs3560.html
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > thanks,
> > >> > Victor Cappuccio.-
> > >> > - CCSI# 31452
> > >> >
> > >> > Network Learning Inc - A Cisco Sponsored
> > Organization (SO) YES! We take
> > >> > Cisco Learning credits!
> > >> > victor@ccbootcamp.com
> > >> > http://www.ccbootcamp.com (Cisco Training and
> > Rental Racks)
> > >> > http://www.ccbootcamp.com/groupstudy.html
> > (groupstudy member discounts!)
> > >> > Voice: 702-968-5100
> > >> > FAX: 702-446-8012
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com on behalf of
> > thomas.rader@freesurf.ch
> > >> > Sent: Thu 6/7/2007 0:01
> > >> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > >> > Subject: 3550/3560 feature comparison
> > >> >
> > >> > Hello,
> > >> >
> > >> > Does anyone have a list of the differences in
> > the features between the
> > 3550
> > &
> > >> > 3560 switches?
> > >> >
> > >> > ie, PVLAN support, etc.
> > >> >
> > >> > I've only got 3550's in my ccie rack, and am
> > trying to do a "gap
> > analysis"
> > >> to
> > >> > see what I need to be aware of.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks, Thomas
> > >> >
> > >> >
> >
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-- Narbik Kocharians CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security) CCSI# 30832
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