From: Narbik Kocharians (narbikk@gmail.com)
Date: Fri Jun 08 2007 - 04:15:58 ART
I am sorry i meant to say guys. I apologize
On 6/8/07, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Girls,
>
>
>
> I am not sure who is right and who is wrong, but I have one question from
> all of you guys, is it possible that the person that made NLI's website
> and/or Internetwork expert's website innocently just did a search and copied
> the page in order to provide a service to the students?
>
> I want all of you to understand that neither Internetwork Expert nor NLI
> are charging the students for that information.
>
> I see both Brian and Victor's point in this matter, and I believe its
> nothing but a simple innocent mistake, since the information is neither
> NLI's nor Internetwork expert's intellectual property, it's a simple summary
> of what is freely available on Cisco's website, so basically what we are
> talking about is the actual format of the documentation, which I believe it
> sucks any way (just a joke). It's not like these guys copied each others
> work books.
>
> I am sure once both parties talk to the webmaster of their company, they
> will find out as to what happened and the problem will be corrected
> (Reformat the freaking document).
>
>
> On 6/7/07, Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Everyone,
> >
> > Victor only asked why it could not be the other way
> > around. A reasonable question.
> >
> > He has not been at NLI for 6 months just yet as I
> > recall. Maybe, what, 4 months as I seem to recall.
> >
> > Just because he asked the question does not make him
> > personall unethical. Let's reserve that statement for
> > the party who actually copied the other company's work
> > and posted it as their own.
> >
> > I know Victor on a more personal level, and I for one,
> > do not believe he lacks ethics.
> >
> > Victor has worked hard to get where he is and just
> > because he posted a link from his company here on GS,
> > that looks to be exactly the same as the one of a
> > competitor does not make him unethical.
> >
> > Now, I would wonder when he site posted their page
> > since it seems to be an "interesting battle of ethics"
> > between two companies.
> >
> > Someone obviously took the time to research the issue
> > and to figure out which features applied to which
> > version of IOS.
> >
> > So who is right and who is wrong?
> >
> > Brian Dennis asserts very strongly that he created
> > this work orginally and even has a link to it as early
> > as the date listed/marked on Groupstudy at minimum.
> > This may very well be the truth.
> >
> > Now the question would be how long the link has been
> > up at NLI (to be fair).
> >
> > I am sure Brad Ellis and his team are looking into
> > this one by now.
> >
> > ------------
> >
> > But let's not attack an employ of the company who has
> > not been proven to be personally liable (unless the
> > company he his working for is willing to put his neck
> > on the line as well - since this is serious and could
> > be career-affecting).
> >
> > So now the question is:
> >
> > When did NLI post their that information on their
> > site?
> >
> > Now if they should be able to produce proof that their
> > site had it first... are we going to hear an apology?
> > Or if they don't - again will we here an apology?
> >
> > While someone obviously had to submit the information
> > for posting on NLI's site, and it may have even been
> > Victor, at the moment none of us, know this to be true
> > at this time.
> >
> > Let's give Victor a small reprieve - he is getting
> > ready for a CCIE Lab at the moment and I am sure he
> > personally has better uses for his own mental
> > energies.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Brian Dennis <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Victor,
> > > So your company9s website ends up with a document
> > > that I wrote over 6 months
> > > ago (see below) and then you have the audacity to
> > > publicly accuse me of
> > > stealing it from you? I9ve seen some pretty poor
> > > ethics on this list over
> > > the years but I wouldn9t have expected it from you
> > > personally.
> > >
> > >
> > http://www.groupstudy.com/archives/ccielab/200611/msg00970.html
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
> > > bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
> > >
> > > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> > > Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 6/7/07 5:37 PM, "Victor Cappuccio"
> > > <victor@ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Brian,
> > > >
> > > > No, I ( WE ) did NOT copy the web page into "the
> > > company web server", Why
> > > It
> > > > could not be as the other way around?
> > > >
> > > > I am not the web master of my company web server,
> > > So I would advice you to
> > > > address your concerns to support@ccbootcamp.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > thanks,
> > > > Victor Cappuccio.-
> > > > - CCSI# 31452
> > > >
> > > > Network Learning Inc - A Cisco Sponsored
> > > Organization (SO) YES! We take
> > > > Cisco Learning credits!
> > > > victor@ccbootcamp.com
> > > > http://www.ccbootcamp.com (Cisco Training and
> > > Rental Racks)
> > > > http://www.ccbootcamp.com/groupstudy.html
> > > (groupstudy member discounts!)
> > > > Voice: 702-968-5100
> > > > FAX: 702-446-8012
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Brian Dennis
> > > [mailto:bdennis@internetworkexpert.com]
> > > > Sent: Thu 6/7/2007 8:15
> > > > To: Victor Cappuccio; thomas.rader@freesurf.ch;
> > > ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > Subject: Re: 3550/3560 feature comparison [mx]
> > > >
> > > > Victor,
> > > > So you just copied the page that I wrote
> > > months ago and put it up on
> > > > your site?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > http://www.internetworkexpert.com/resources/ccie-3560-3550.htm
> > > >
> > > http://www.ccbootcamp.com/tech-notes/3550vs3560.html
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210
> > > (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
> > > > bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
> > > >
> > > > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > > > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> > > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> > > > Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 6/7/07 12:39 AM, "Victor Cappuccio"
> > > <victor@ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> > This link may help you
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > http://www.ccbootcamp.com/tech-notes/3550vs3560.html
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > thanks,
> > > >> > Victor Cappuccio.-
> > > >> > - CCSI# 31452
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Network Learning Inc - A Cisco Sponsored
> > > Organization (SO) YES! We take
> > > >> > Cisco Learning credits!
> > > >> > victor@ccbootcamp.com
> > > >> > http://www.ccbootcamp.com (Cisco Training and
> > > Rental Racks)
> > > >> > http://www.ccbootcamp.com/groupstudy.html
> > > (groupstudy member discounts!)
> > > >> > Voice: 702-968-5100
> > > >> > FAX: 702-446-8012
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > > >> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com on behalf of
> > > thomas.rader@freesurf.ch
> > > >> > Sent: Thu 6/7/2007 0:01
> > > >> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > >> > Subject: 3550/3560 feature comparison
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Hello,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Does anyone have a list of the differences in
> > > the features between the
> > > 3550
> > > &
> > > >> > 3560 switches?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > ie, PVLAN support, etc.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I've only got 3550's in my ccie rack, and am
> > > trying to do a "gap
> > > analysis"
> > > >> to
> > > >> > see what I need to be aware of.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Thanks, Thomas
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > >
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> --
> Narbik Kocharians
> CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
> CCSI# 30832
>
-- Narbik Kocharians CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security) CCSI# 30832
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