From: Sean C (upp_and_upp@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue Apr 24 2007 - 11:44:47 ART
Being exactly what Josh describes - CCIE, w/ TS clearance and working for a
contractor living in the DC area - he's spot-on with his assessment. A lot
of the long-term jobs around DC for contractors (long-term being 2+ years),
will probably be a good 30%+ less then the 6 month projects I see on Dice &
Monster. But, the offshoot is you have a steady paycheck and don't have to
re-do health-care, 401 plans, etc... every time you jump.
One thing I didn't realize about contracting govy positions around DC, I
know a lot of contractors that stay with the same position year after year,
but they change contractors as their employers don't/can't win the re-bid.
It makes sense - the new contractor just hires the same people - I had just
never considered it.
The challenge with the original email was that it was for a CCIE with a few
years experience. While trying to tip-toe around any threads on a CCIE and
what merits their 'typical' time of experience, I would hazard on the side
of 'a few years' being on the low side of length of time of experience. Of
course, this description could also mean a few years experience as a CCIE,
and not mentioning length of experience pre-CCIE. I doubt it, but it
could....
My 2 cents worth,
Sean #17085
----- Original Message -----
From: <jslauer@hotmail.com>
To: "Darby Weaver" <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>; "Michael Zuo"
<mzuo@ixiacom.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 6:12 AM
Subject: Re: OT: CCIE salary surveys
> your hypothesis is correct in the D.C. area, but that's if you have a
> high-level security clearance and are willing to work for a contractor. If
> you want something stable, then you wont make as much.
>
> Remember, the places where the salaries are high like this have a very
> high cost of living.
>
> Josh
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Darby Weaver" <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> To: "Michael Zuo" <mzuo@ixiacom.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 1:13 AM
> Subject: Re: OT: CCIE salary surveys
>
>> Salary's vary.
>>
>> I've had friends in the Cali area making in the 60k+
>> for the CCNA to CCNP level.
>>
>> I've had class-mates claiming up to 110k incomes at
>> the CCNP level - of course they were earning their
>> CCIE and were fast-tracking.
>>
>> So 120-130k is not unnatural, but I would venture that
>> seasoned CCIE's are doing better in California.
>>
>> However, I had several counterparts at NBC and GE and
>> I do not recall them saying (or the job postings)
>> looking like they paid a lot more than my Southeastern
>> wages for the same or similar job description.
>>
>> Same for my counterparts at 30 Rock in New York - it
>> seems that around 90k or so was the base starting
>> point, followed with nice raises and bonuses.
>>
>> Now maybe for the highest level positions but who is
>> counting.
>>
>> I'm in Orlando and if one does not mind the travel the
>> ranges I am routinely offered are in the 80-120k range
>> +/- some form of bonus paackage for the CCNP level
>> with experience. For the record, I have been asked to
>> consider greater than 120k - so this is not out of the
>> question either even for a CCNP - I'm sure the
>> position would have easily preferred a CCIE.
>>
>> The travel and near-CCIE level positions are in the
>> 110-120k + bonus range here in my neck of the woods,
>> but for all I know the rates can get better for full
>> CCIE's. - I would expect it, some of my current peers
>> speak of 135k+ rates, but I have not seen this yet
>> myself - but I am not yet a CCIE either.
>>
>> I've heard people in the Washington and New York areas
>> are well paid for their services.
>>
>> I've heard that 200k+ in the Washington D.C./Virgina
>> area are not uncommon.
>>
>> I guess it comes down to one's ability to bargain and
>> how one present's oneself.
>>
>> And recall, some positions simply only pay whatever it
>> is the company pays for the job role.
>>
>> I've also heard that pre-sales engineers can do quite
>> well especially in education and government accounts.
>>
>> Expect that salary survey are very general in nature.
>>
>> I recall when they used to say I was underpaid and now
>> it seems according to them I am overpaid.
>>
>> It's strange and it is a statistic.
>>
>> Best thing to do, is to figure out what it costs you
>> to live, throw in whatever else you need like
>> benefits, vacation, retirement, training, etc. and go
>> for that number +/- however much you will need to be
>> where you need to be financially.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Sorry for the long and boring email.
>>
>>
>>
>> --- Michael Zuo <mzuo@ixiacom.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Group,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have did a little research online: it looks like
>>> the average salary
>>> for CCIE's in California with a few years of
>>> experience is around 120 to
>>> 130K range according to various surveys such as Cert
>>> Mag. Does anyone
>>> know how accurate are the survey numbers from
>>> personal experience?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I apologize for being off topic, this group seems to
>>> be the best place
>>> to ask this question :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael Zuo
>>>
>>> CCIE #17800
>>>
>>>
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