From: Daniel_Steyn@Dell.com
Date: Tue Apr 24 2007 - 13:41:11 ART
Also - take into consideration the cost of living. Working for 150,000
in California or New York where housing costs are in the millions does
not compare to some of the southern states paying 120,000 but where
housing costs are in the 200,000s.
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Sean C
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:45 AM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: OT: CCIE salary surveys
Being exactly what Josh describes - CCIE, w/ TS clearance and working
for a contractor living in the DC area - he's spot-on with his
assessment. A lot of the long-term jobs around DC for contractors
(long-term being 2+ years), will probably be a good 30%+ less then the 6
month projects I see on Dice & Monster. But, the offshoot is you have a
steady paycheck and don't have to re-do health-care, 401 plans, etc...
every time you jump.
One thing I didn't realize about contracting govy positions around DC, I
know a lot of contractors that stay with the same position year after
year, but they change contractors as their employers don't/can't win the
re-bid.
It makes sense - the new contractor just hires the same people - I had
just never considered it.
The challenge with the original email was that it was for a CCIE with a
few years experience. While trying to tip-toe around any threads on a
CCIE and what merits their 'typical' time of experience, I would hazard
on the side of 'a few years' being on the low side of length of time of
experience. Of course, this description could also mean a few years
experience as a CCIE, and not mentioning length of experience pre-CCIE.
I doubt it, but it could....
My 2 cents worth,
Sean #17085
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From: <jslauer@hotmail.com>
To: "Darby Weaver" <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>; "Michael Zuo"
<mzuo@ixiacom.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 6:12 AM
Subject: Re: OT: CCIE salary surveys
> your hypothesis is correct in the D.C. area, but that's if you have a
> high-level security clearance and are willing to work for a
contractor. If
> you want something stable, then you wont make as much.
>
> Remember, the places where the salaries are high like this have a very
> high cost of living.
>
> Josh
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Darby Weaver" <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> To: "Michael Zuo" <mzuo@ixiacom.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 1:13 AM
> Subject: Re: OT: CCIE salary surveys
>
>> Salary's vary.
>>
>> I've had friends in the Cali area making in the 60k+
>> for the CCNA to CCNP level.
>>
>> I've had class-mates claiming up to 110k incomes at
>> the CCNP level - of course they were earning their
>> CCIE and were fast-tracking.
>>
>> So 120-130k is not unnatural, but I would venture that
>> seasoned CCIE's are doing better in California.
>>
>> However, I had several counterparts at NBC and GE and
>> I do not recall them saying (or the job postings)
>> looking like they paid a lot more than my Southeastern
>> wages for the same or similar job description.
>>
>> Same for my counterparts at 30 Rock in New York - it
>> seems that around 90k or so was the base starting
>> point, followed with nice raises and bonuses.
>>
>> Now maybe for the highest level positions but who is
>> counting.
>>
>> I'm in Orlando and if one does not mind the travel the
>> ranges I am routinely offered are in the 80-120k range
>> +/- some form of bonus paackage for the CCNP level
>> with experience. For the record, I have been asked to
>> consider greater than 120k - so this is not out of the
>> question either even for a CCNP - I'm sure the
>> position would have easily preferred a CCIE.
>>
>> The travel and near-CCIE level positions are in the
>> 110-120k + bonus range here in my neck of the woods,
>> but for all I know the rates can get better for full
>> CCIE's. - I would expect it, some of my current peers
>> speak of 135k+ rates, but I have not seen this yet
>> myself - but I am not yet a CCIE either.
>>
>> I've heard people in the Washington and New York areas
>> are well paid for their services.
>>
>> I've heard that 200k+ in the Washington D.C./Virgina
>> area are not uncommon.
>>
>> I guess it comes down to one's ability to bargain and
>> how one present's oneself.
>>
>> And recall, some positions simply only pay whatever it
>> is the company pays for the job role.
>>
>> I've also heard that pre-sales engineers can do quite
>> well especially in education and government accounts.
>>
>> Expect that salary survey are very general in nature.
>>
>> I recall when they used to say I was underpaid and now
>> it seems according to them I am overpaid.
>>
>> It's strange and it is a statistic.
>>
>> Best thing to do, is to figure out what it costs you
>> to live, throw in whatever else you need like
>> benefits, vacation, retirement, training, etc. and go
>> for that number +/- however much you will need to be
>> where you need to be financially.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Sorry for the long and boring email.
>>
>>
>>
>> --- Michael Zuo <mzuo@ixiacom.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Group,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have did a little research online: it looks like
>>> the average salary
>>> for CCIE's in California with a few years of
>>> experience is around 120 to
>>> 130K range according to various surveys such as Cert
>>> Mag. Does anyone
>>> know how accurate are the survey numbers from
>>> personal experience?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I apologize for being off topic, this group seems to
>>> be the best place
>>> to ask this question :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael Zuo
>>>
>>> CCIE #17800
>>>
>>>
>>
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