From: Darby Weaver (darbyweaver@yahoo.com)
Date: Sun Apr 08 2007 - 14:46:44 ART
Let's see if this one makes the list.
Now for everone who is not paying attention: This is
a simple answer to a simple question.
No religious battles between vendors is intended and
if so, I can be unicasted by them as well as by
regular users.
And FYI - I am still booking classes with other
vendors as well - so before you go thinking that I've
only tasted a few cuisines and am hooked.
There are several more vendors on my list to either
visit or re-visit.
And FYI - I'm thinking of starting my own CCIE List
since it seems my posts keep getting banned if I use
certain names.
What is korea and this list have in common anyway?
Does anyone else get bounces with kornet most every
time you post or is it just when there is a nobody in
the account?
Remember - I post on several corners of the net - so
if you find it odd that I did not seem to to respond,
I probably did... You just didn't get it.
--- Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com> wrote:
I know his next classes appear to be booked in May,
there are some extra weeks in the in the three week
version, but the classes are pretty much booked.
For some reason the list does not seem to like him
very much.
If you want more info unicast me.
Bascially there are several things he does that not
every does either enough of from what I have seen so
far, or they may only mention some of these things
and not cover them to the degree of their relative
worth to a passing lab candidate.
1. The Discovery Phase - While others go to some
details to explain this phase, he ensures that this
phase is among the most impoertant that you learn
and his labs are focused on ensuring you learn how to
discover your pod, document it thoroughly yet
quickly (45 min goal), and that you can safely rely on
your findings or you have a serious round of questions
for the proctor.
- This is important - if you screw up interface
types or subnet masks - you may have problems you do
not need later in the exam. If you survive, these
are strengths for you and not weaknesses.
2. BB Connectivity - Again others may actually give
you these in your labs - He makes no such assumption
and he ensures you are very experienced at this
CRITICAL task and that you learn to do it early NOT
later and he explains to you why it IS important to
do so.
- I recall from other Bootcamps being told to expect
the unexpected when it comes to the BB and some labs
were tricky. None were like HIS, his reminded me
very much of the same dilemmas I had while I sat both
of my labs. He brought it home and his simple yet
effective techniques may have helped me overcome a
hurdle that would otherwise cost me a few more lab
attempts.
- This is major for anyone who thought they had a
"Golden Moment" inside their pod, but still had a
problem with the BB.
- Pass or Fail - Right here, Right now.
3. If you ever thought you knew how to subnet, he
will challenge you here and like none I have seen yet.
Others cover it, he will challenge you to ensure you
know it, remember he expects you to do it with your
eyes closed and he means it. In other classes it is
assumed of the student - he makes no assumptions
whatsoever. You either can or you cannot and if you
better know how to come up with the least number of
statement for any ACLs. Math will become a true and
solid strength. Again he has his techniques and
they are effective.
- Let's see - if you have to filter in the lab or
summarize in the lab and fail to do so, you may lose
points and you may just fail. Can I be more clear
of the importance of these tasks? If I cannot, then I
assure you he can.
- Any type of ACL is fair game, AND/XOR, Even/Odd,
and anything in between - just as in the lab it MIGHT
be. Some classes I have attended stress other topics,
not that he does not, but he knows people are scared
of MATH and he removes this fear through solid
techniques and solid experience, each and every day.
4. There have been many questions on this list about
how to approach the proctor, how to word questions,
and how many questions to ask, etc. Others have
told me to ensure I bring my lab book up with me, make
no assumptions, bring my lawyer, and to ask
intelligent questions. This is simply not enough and
not near enough detail on what to ask, why, and how.
- He has been from my experience thus far, the most
detailed person on how to attain this MOST valuable
skill - one of the three MOST valuable resources we
all have during a lab is the PROCTOR, yet in two lab
attempts and watching about 20-25 lab candidates
take the damned thing very few seemed to ask any
questions at all, they sat in the lab and just drowned
and some, like me thought they pretty much had and
might have asked a couple of questions but not enough,
and not the right ones anyway.
- I may be wrong here as some people (other
instructors) have told me quite plainly that I have
not attended their own classes, not to assume that
this and other things are not covered to this
detail; however, I have everyone's products in one
iteration or another, even the European and
Asian/Indian offerings and I can assure you all - I
HAVE NOT SEEN IT YET - This is why I was quite amazed.
- When I first spoke to one student about his 3-week
experience, my eyes were WIDE OPEN. So many things
were just made clear. When I sat my own class (the
experience lessened by my own sickness,
unfortunately), I saw so many things from the lab
that were so clear and unmistakable, it was like OMG -
not necessarily NDA violations as much as TRUTHS and
things I had simply assumed. Now this is not a wake
up call someone who has been to say 6-8 weeks of
PAID BOOTCAMPS ought to be having on just DAY-1 of
anyone's classes. These are things that just were not
made clear by any other classes I had been to yet, and
some were alluded to or suggested, but none had been
so abrupt and genuinely "honest" in the approach to
making the point.
- This is UNIQUE - if I told you more he would kill
me. If you've been to the rest and you still have
not passed, then you may need to make a trip to visit
any of the instructors who teaches their art. Cause
while you may find it elsewhere, I would NOT bet on
it.
5. The UNIVERCD - Another of the three most useful
tools in the Lab, others stress it. With him, you
cannot complete his labs w/o it. Simple as that.
You will be forced to learn it, use it, love it, know
it, and you will leave with a firm and confident
ability to simply find anything and find it quickly as
a result of his techniques. Again, others stress it
true, but none of the materials that I have yet to
see or the classes made me dig like he did, and maybe
this is my fault for "cheating sometimes and using an
AK".
- BTW - He will not give ANY AK till the end of the
class, he keeps you on your toes and while I solidly
disagreed with this the entire time, thinking I
could be learning from it, by the end of the week, I
understood why he did not give us immediate
gratification and since I actually had to LEARN each
topic without the benefit of knowing how it was
solved on the last lab, I had to LEARN why on the fly
- again hello proctor and hello UNIVERCD.
6. Challenge - No other instructor actually watched
my every keystroke, no other instructor actually asked
me why - mostly each and every time. I could argue
that I was trying to take a "MOCK LAB" but he is not
about scores and about EGO, he is about solid learning
and about ensuring his students get their digits. I
had a hard time with this at first and I learned to
bite my tongue and to use the proctor and the
UNIVERCD.
- Seriously, the man WILL ask you WHY you need the
question mark as you type and you better have an
answer.
- He is not sleeping during class, he is not doing
anything else but using all of his skills to ensure
that you learn how to apply yours. Again, we have
all been to classes and we love our CORE-4, but unless
someone pleasantly surprises me, I think I can say
that I got more 1-on-1 attention in his class than
all of the other 6-8 weeks combined from ALL the
other classes and instructors. And I was sick 1/2 of
the time.
- This level of quality-assurance and of attention
is hard to find - very hard to find - but perhaps it
is our fault as consumers for not demanding it.
- In some classes I attended, I felt like either the
best prepped students got the grease, or those who
were terribly and visibly lost got the grease, and
us in between were mostly left to our own devices - I
did not feel like this with him. He gave each student
attention and feedback on a 1-on-1 basis. And I
understand he personally mentors each of his
instructors to do the same (they are also ALL former
students with no exception).
Overall the rest of the technical tips, tricks,
topics etc. are more or less what you will see in
other labs, no doubt, but the way you feel after you
leave him is quite different and quite extraordinary.
I've felt better prepped after each of my classes, no
doubt, but I can honestly say, that even if I were
going to start teaching a class any CCIE-level class,
I have learned a lot from him, that I simple DID NOT
learn anywhere else. He has one goal: TO EMPOWER YOU
TO PASS THE LAB.
Others have lists - and some people on the list just
simply bought the materials and they passed the lab
eventually. However - some of those even went to HIM
before passing the Lab.
I do not in all my years reading this list and
scouring the Internet as few others may have done,
have ever heard of anyone having to go to another
trainer to PASS THE LAB after taking a H-Camp.
Anyone know different?
Now I may be the sole exception to this rule, but
again, I have more objectives than simply passing a
certification exam and even the CCIE is simply an
exam for me.
So their you have it.
I have told you some of the deep dark secrets of his
and some of the things I think are important.
I might add he seems to customize a bit as he goes
just to personalize the experience, maybe to help
protect his copyrights - must be effective, when is
the last time anyone saw a PDF of a Lab of his laying
around on a pubstro, newsgroup, or torrent?
Believe it or not he is modest at least as much as
some of my other favorite instructors and he is
definately as sincere.
I still do not quite understand the animosity others
seem to have for him on this list.
He's apparently not even a member here.
Go figure.
Jealousy? Competition? Mabye because he's been at
it longer than most others here, even most of our
favorites?
The name is banned and any message with it will not
post of GS.
Again unicast me for details.
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>
>
>
>
> --- "A.G. Ananth Sarma (GMail)"
> <ananth.sarma@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear Darby,
> >
> > This is very good sense of humor.
> >
> > By the way, any update on H class?
> >
> > ( I am serious and if you do not want to tell
> > everybody, you may unicast
> > me!)
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Ananth
> >
> >
> > On 4/6/07, Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Actually,
> > >
> > > Just register a different CCO number a few times
> > under
> > > a few names and take the lab several times and
> > pass at
> > > least 4 times.
> > >
> > > You cannot use your SSN in this case.
> > >
> > > (And rememeber just because personality #1 can
> > pass
> > > the RS in one take, does not mean the three
> rocks
> > can,
> > > they may require a few shots).
> > >
> > > Do the same thing for the CCNP - again 4
> different
> > > aliases, 4 diff CSCO Numbers, and 4 CCO
> Accounts.
> > >
> > > Do the same thing for the CCNA/CCDA level
> > >
> > > Do the same thing for the Sales Certs.
> > >
> > > Let's see - you have 16 split personalities and
> > can
> > > now fill the 16 roles required for Gold Level
> > > Partnership.
> > >
> > > The problem comes when you have to fill out 16
> > income
> > > tax returns and when you have to be in 16
> > locations.
> > >
> > > Of course you could probable leagally marry 8 of
> > your
> > > personalities to the other 8... So your income
> > tax
> > > filing problem are sortof 1/2 of what they were.
> > >
> > > And you could always assign teams to projects
> > instead
> > > of splitting them up.
> > >
> > > Now if you provide remote services and learn to
> > script
> > > very well and multi-task at least moderately
> > well...
> > >
> > >
> > > Just remember to bill for each of your split
> > > personalities, since they gotta be legit
> > employees.
> > >
> > > And don't forget each personality needs a
> personal
> > > cell, a personal email, a bio on the website,
> and
> > lest
> > > we forget a personal VPN account. Now I have
> seen
> > a
> > > co-worker use VM's to use multiple VPN Clients
> on
> > one
> > > machine to simoultaneously VPN to accounts...
> > >
> > > So tell me, I wonder what happens if a person
> > actually
> > > used this technique to pay federal taxes, I mean
> > take
> > > one job under SSN #1 and another job under SSN
> #2,
> > > etc. A new tax loophole...?
> > >
> > >
> > > Whew!
> > >
> > > Bizarro World...
> > >
> > > The things some people won't do to become a
> > one-man
> > > Cisco Gold Partner in this day and age.
> > >
> > > OK - Guys back the CatOS to IOS Conversion that
> > didn't
> > > quite happent the way I expected last night.
> > >
> > > Later...
> > >
> > >
> > > BTW - This was a bit of joke... Even if someone
> > does
> > > actually do it at some point.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Scott Morris <smorris@ipexpert.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > No, there must be multiple people in different
> > > > roles. Otherwise, strange
> > > > folk like me could be Gold Partners all by
> > > > themselves. :)
> > > >
> > > > The partner requirements pages on CCO should
> > spell
> > > > all this out. Otherwise
> > > > your CAM will be able to give you the
> > requirements.
> > > >
> > > > HTH,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Scott Morris, CCIE4
> > (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service
> > > > Provider) #4713, JNCIE
> > > > #153, CISSP, et al.
> > > > CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
> > > > IPexpert VP - Curriculum Development
> > > > IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
> > > > smorris@ipexpert.com
> > > > http://www.ipexpert.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> > > > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Anis
> > > > Faruqui
> > > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 9:05 AM
> > > > To: Cisco certification
> > > > Subject: OT-Partner Certification
> > > >
> > > > Hi Friends,
> > > >
> > > > Sorry for an OT-It will be very kind of you
> > Gurus to
> > > > let me know about the
> > > > Cisco Partners eligibilty .Can they put thier
> > Single
> > > > Employee having
> > > > multiple certification in the different roles
> > asked
> > > > by cisco to satisfy some
> > > > partner level like silver or Gold.
> > > >
> > > > For example for Silver Partnership A company
> > need 1
> > > > CCNA,CCDA,CCNP,CCVP,CCIE.
> > > >
> > > > So if the Company's sinigle Employee is
> holding
> > all
> > > > this certificates is he
> > > > qualified to be placed as an individual for
> each
> > of
> > > > this cerfiticates?
> > > >
> > > > Need your insight on this matter.
> > > >
> > > > regards,
> > > >
> > > > Anis Faruqui...
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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