From: Scott Morris (smorris@ipexpert.com)
Date: Sun Apr 08 2007 - 22:29:22 ART
Not to be too quippish at this point, but I am very curious as to why you
are still booking or looking to book classes with other vendors?
Not only the past few missives about needing nothing more and sticking with
the "one" you speak most highly of. But what is the point of attending so
much training? Do you just have an unlimited training budget to play with?
(I'm jealous!)
Would your time not be better spent taking the skills that you have learned,
and how you have bettered yourself and sticking with those in order to study
more details on your own time and go do the lab?
Apparantly I'm just missing something here at a very basic level. Mayhap
that makes me different. (smirk)
Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, JNCIE
#153, CISSP, et al.
CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
IPexpert VP - Curriculum Development
IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
smorris@ipexpert.com
http://www.ipexpert.com
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Darby Weaver
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 1:47 PM
To: Darby Weaver; A.G. Ananth Sarma (GMail)
Cc: Anis Faruqui; Cisco certification
Subject: Re: OT-Partner Certification
Let's see if this one makes the list.
Now for everone who is not paying attention: This is a simple answer to a
simple question.
No religious battles between vendors is intended and if so, I can be
unicasted by them as well as by regular users.
And FYI - I am still booking classes with other vendors as well - so before
you go thinking that I've only tasted a few cuisines and am hooked.
There are several more vendors on my list to either visit or re-visit.
And FYI - I'm thinking of starting my own CCIE List since it seems my posts
keep getting banned if I use certain names.
What is korea and this list have in common anyway?
Does anyone else get bounces with kornet most every time you post or is it
just when there is a nobody in the account?
Remember - I post on several corners of the net - so if you find it odd that
I did not seem to to respond, I probably did... You just didn't get it.
--- Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com> wrote:
I know his next classes appear to be booked in May, there are some extra
weeks in the in the three week version, but the classes are pretty much
booked.
For some reason the list does not seem to like him very much.
If you want more info unicast me.
Bascially there are several things he does that not every does either enough
of from what I have seen so far, or they may only mention some of these
things and not cover them to the degree of their relative worth to a passing
lab candidate.
1. The Discovery Phase - While others go to some details to explain this
phase, he ensures that this phase is among the most impoertant that you
learn and his labs are focused on ensuring you learn how to discover your
pod, document it thoroughly yet quickly (45 min goal), and that you can
safely rely on your findings or you have a serious round of questions for
the proctor.
- This is important - if you screw up interface types or subnet masks - you
may have problems you do not need later in the exam. If you survive, these
are strengths for you and not weaknesses.
2. BB Connectivity - Again others may actually give you these in your labs -
He makes no such assumption and he ensures you are very experienced at this
CRITICAL task and that you learn to do it early NOT later and he explains to
you why it IS important to do so.
- I recall from other Bootcamps being told to expect the unexpected when it
comes to the BB and some labs were tricky. None were like HIS, his reminded
me very much of the same dilemmas I had while I sat both of my labs. He
brought it home and his simple yet effective techniques may have helped me
overcome a hurdle that would otherwise cost me a few more lab attempts.
- This is major for anyone who thought they had a "Golden Moment" inside
their pod, but still had a problem with the BB.
- Pass or Fail - Right here, Right now.
3. If you ever thought you knew how to subnet, he will challenge you here
and like none I have seen yet.
Others cover it, he will challenge you to ensure you know it, remember he
expects you to do it with your eyes closed and he means it. In other
classes it is assumed of the student - he makes no assumptions whatsoever.
You either can or you cannot and if you better know how to come up with the
least number of statement for any ACLs. Math will become a true and solid
strength. Again he has his techniques and they are effective.
- Let's see - if you have to filter in the lab or summarize in the lab and
fail to do so, you may lose points and you may just fail. Can I be more
clear of the importance of these tasks? If I cannot, then I assure you he
can.
- Any type of ACL is fair game, AND/XOR, Even/Odd, and anything in between -
just as in the lab it MIGHT be. Some classes I have attended stress other
topics, not that he does not, but he knows people are scared of MATH and he
removes this fear through solid techniques and solid experience, each and
every day.
4. There have been many questions on this list about how to approach the
proctor, how to word questions, and how many questions to ask, etc. Others
have told me to ensure I bring my lab book up with me, make no assumptions,
bring my lawyer, and to ask intelligent questions. This is simply not
enough and not near enough detail on what to ask, why, and how.
- He has been from my experience thus far, the most detailed person on how
to attain this MOST valuable skill - one of the three MOST valuable
resources we all have during a lab is the PROCTOR, yet in two lab attempts
and watching about 20-25 lab candidates take the damned thing very few
seemed to ask any questions at all, they sat in the lab and just drowned and
some, like me thought they pretty much had and might have asked a couple of
questions but not enough, and not the right ones anyway.
- I may be wrong here as some people (other
instructors) have told me quite plainly that I have not attended their own
classes, not to assume that this and other things are not covered to this
detail; however, I have everyone's products in one iteration or another,
even the European and Asian/Indian offerings and I can assure you all - I
HAVE NOT SEEN IT YET - This is why I was quite amazed.
- When I first spoke to one student about his 3-week experience, my eyes
were WIDE OPEN. So many things were just made clear. When I sat my own
class (the experience lessened by my own sickness, unfortunately), I saw so
many things from the lab that were so clear and unmistakable, it was like
OMG - not necessarily NDA violations as much as TRUTHS and things I had
simply assumed. Now this is not a wake up call someone who has been to say
6-8 weeks of PAID BOOTCAMPS ought to be having on just DAY-1 of anyone's
classes. These are things that just were not made clear by any other
classes I had been to yet, and some were alluded to or suggested, but none
had been so abrupt and genuinely "honest" in the approach to making the
point.
- This is UNIQUE - if I told you more he would kill me. If you've been to
the rest and you still have not passed, then you may need to make a trip to
visit any of the instructors who teaches their art. Cause while you may
find it elsewhere, I would NOT bet on it.
5. The UNIVERCD - Another of the three most useful tools in the Lab, others
stress it. With him, you cannot complete his labs w/o it. Simple as that.
You will be forced to learn it, use it, love it, know it, and you will leave
with a firm and confident ability to simply find anything and find it
quickly as a result of his techniques. Again, others stress it true, but
none of the materials that I have yet to see or the classes made me dig like
he did, and maybe this is my fault for "cheating sometimes and using an AK".
- BTW - He will not give ANY AK till the end of the class, he keeps you on
your toes and while I solidly disagreed with this the entire time, thinking
I could be learning from it, by the end of the week, I understood why he did
not give us immediate gratification and since I actually had to LEARN each
topic without the benefit of knowing how it was solved on the last lab, I
had to LEARN why on the fly
- again hello proctor and hello UNIVERCD.
6. Challenge - No other instructor actually watched my every keystroke, no
other instructor actually asked me why - mostly each and every time. I
could argue that I was trying to take a "MOCK LAB" but he is not about
scores and about EGO, he is about solid learning and about ensuring his
students get their digits. I had a hard time with this at first and I
learned to bite my tongue and to use the proctor and the UNIVERCD.
- Seriously, the man WILL ask you WHY you need the question mark as you type
and you better have an answer.
- He is not sleeping during class, he is not doing anything else but using
all of his skills to ensure that you learn how to apply yours. Again, we
have all been to classes and we love our CORE-4, but unless someone
pleasantly surprises me, I think I can say that I got more 1-on-1 attention
in his class than all of the other 6-8 weeks combined from ALL the
other classes and instructors. And I was sick 1/2 of
the time.
- This level of quality-assurance and of attention is hard to find - very
hard to find - but perhaps it is our fault as consumers for not demanding
it.
- In some classes I attended, I felt like either the best prepped students
got the grease, or those who were terribly and visibly lost got the grease,
and us in between were mostly left to our own devices - I did not feel like
this with him. He gave each student attention and feedback on a 1-on-1
basis. And I understand he personally mentors each of his instructors to do
the same (they are also ALL former students with no exception).
Overall the rest of the technical tips, tricks, topics etc. are more or less
what you will see in other labs, no doubt, but the way you feel after you
leave him is quite different and quite extraordinary.
I've felt better prepped after each of my classes, no doubt, but I can
honestly say, that even if I were going to start teaching a class any
CCIE-level class, I have learned a lot from him, that I simple DID NOT learn
anywhere else. He has one goal: TO EMPOWER YOU TO PASS THE LAB.
Others have lists - and some people on the list just simply bought the
materials and they passed the lab eventually. However - some of those even
went to HIM before passing the Lab.
I do not in all my years reading this list and scouring the Internet as few
others may have done, have ever heard of anyone having to go to another
trainer to PASS THE LAB after taking a H-Camp.
Anyone know different?
Now I may be the sole exception to this rule, but again, I have more
objectives than simply passing a certification exam and even the CCIE is
simply an exam for me.
So their you have it.
I have told you some of the deep dark secrets of his and some of the things
I think are important.
I might add he seems to customize a bit as he goes just to personalize the
experience, maybe to help protect his copyrights - must be effective, when
is the last time anyone saw a PDF of a Lab of his laying around on a
pubstro, newsgroup, or torrent?
Believe it or not he is modest at least as much as some of my other favorite
instructors and he is definately as sincere.
I still do not quite understand the animosity others seem to have for him on
this list.
He's apparently not even a member here.
Go figure.
Jealousy? Competition? Mabye because he's been at it longer than most
others here, even most of our favorites?
The name is banned and any message with it will not post of GS.
Again unicast me for details.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- "A.G. Ananth Sarma (GMail)"
> <ananth.sarma@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear Darby,
> >
> > This is very good sense of humor.
> >
> > By the way, any update on H class?
> >
> > ( I am serious and if you do not want to tell everybody, you may
> > unicast
> > me!)
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Ananth
> >
> >
> > On 4/6/07, Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Actually,
> > >
> > > Just register a different CCO number a few times
> > under
> > > a few names and take the lab several times and
> > pass at
> > > least 4 times.
> > >
> > > You cannot use your SSN in this case.
> > >
> > > (And rememeber just because personality #1 can
> > pass
> > > the RS in one take, does not mean the three
> rocks
> > can,
> > > they may require a few shots).
> > >
> > > Do the same thing for the CCNP - again 4
> different
> > > aliases, 4 diff CSCO Numbers, and 4 CCO
> Accounts.
> > >
> > > Do the same thing for the CCNA/CCDA level
> > >
> > > Do the same thing for the Sales Certs.
> > >
> > > Let's see - you have 16 split personalities and
> > can
> > > now fill the 16 roles required for Gold Level Partnership.
> > >
> > > The problem comes when you have to fill out 16
> > income
> > > tax returns and when you have to be in 16
> > locations.
> > >
> > > Of course you could probable leagally marry 8 of
> > your
> > > personalities to the other 8... So your income
> > tax
> > > filing problem are sortof 1/2 of what they were.
> > >
> > > And you could always assign teams to projects
> > instead
> > > of splitting them up.
> > >
> > > Now if you provide remote services and learn to
> > script
> > > very well and multi-task at least moderately
> > well...
> > >
> > >
> > > Just remember to bill for each of your split personalities, since
> > > they gotta be legit
> > employees.
> > >
> > > And don't forget each personality needs a
> personal
> > > cell, a personal email, a bio on the website,
> and
> > lest
> > > we forget a personal VPN account. Now I have
> seen
> > a
> > > co-worker use VM's to use multiple VPN Clients
> on
> > one
> > > machine to simoultaneously VPN to accounts...
> > >
> > > So tell me, I wonder what happens if a person
> > actually
> > > used this technique to pay federal taxes, I mean
> > take
> > > one job under SSN #1 and another job under SSN
> #2,
> > > etc. A new tax loophole...?
> > >
> > >
> > > Whew!
> > >
> > > Bizarro World...
> > >
> > > The things some people won't do to become a
> > one-man
> > > Cisco Gold Partner in this day and age.
> > >
> > > OK - Guys back the CatOS to IOS Conversion that
> > didn't
> > > quite happent the way I expected last night.
> > >
> > > Later...
> > >
> > >
> > > BTW - This was a bit of joke... Even if someone
> > does
> > > actually do it at some point.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Scott Morris <smorris@ipexpert.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > No, there must be multiple people in different roles.
> > > > Otherwise, strange folk like me could be Gold Partners all by
> > > > themselves. :)
> > > >
> > > > The partner requirements pages on CCO should
> > spell
> > > > all this out. Otherwise
> > > > your CAM will be able to give you the
> > requirements.
> > > >
> > > > HTH,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Scott Morris, CCIE4
> > (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service
> > > > Provider) #4713, JNCIE
> > > > #153, CISSP, et al.
> > > > CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
> > > > IPexpert VP - Curriculum Development IPexpert Sr. Technical
> > > > Instructor smorris@ipexpert.com http://www.ipexpert.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> > > > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Anis
> > > > Faruqui
> > > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 9:05 AM
> > > > To: Cisco certification
> > > > Subject: OT-Partner Certification
> > > >
> > > > Hi Friends,
> > > >
> > > > Sorry for an OT-It will be very kind of you
> > Gurus to
> > > > let me know about the
> > > > Cisco Partners eligibilty .Can they put thier
> > Single
> > > > Employee having
> > > > multiple certification in the different roles
> > asked
> > > > by cisco to satisfy some
> > > > partner level like silver or Gold.
> > > >
> > > > For example for Silver Partnership A company
> > need 1
> > > > CCNA,CCDA,CCNP,CCVP,CCIE.
> > > >
> > > > So if the Company's sinigle Employee is
> holding
> > all
> > > > this certificates is he
> > > > qualified to be placed as an individual for
> each
> > of
> > > > this cerfiticates?
> > > >
> > > > Need your insight on this matter.
> > > >
> > > > regards,
> > > >
> > > > Anis Faruqui...
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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