From: Paul Borghese (pborghese@groupstudy.com)
Date: Wed Apr 04 2007 - 13:26:37 ART
Darby,
I have been teaching CCIE training for nine years.
The version I am offering to GroupStudy is similar to a program we put
together for use inside Cisco (employees only). The Cisco program requires
the student to be out of work longer then is feasible or practical in other
companies. Thus I modified the program adding evening courses and requiring
a minimum prerequisite for attendance.
Take care,
Paul Borghese
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Darby Weaver
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 7:18 PM
To: Marvin Greenlee; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: GroupStudy accelerated CCIE study group
Wow it sounds personal.
Actually, no disrespect to Paul at all.
But it seems that there should, would, and could be
more testimonials from someone (ANYONE) claiming to
guarantee a pass on only 6 weeks.
Either that or we have a lot of people who are
slacking for taking a lot longer even years to prep
(and this may well be the case).
However, I just witnessed ole H. U. do it in just 4
weeks for the guy with the "bloody-red eyes"...
So...
It is is not impossible.
However, the guy with the blood-red eyes also
attendede NLI previously and he had been to the lab
twice and was under severe duress to preform and he
did meet the challenge, but he had a lot on his mind.
So, I suppose if a properly motivated candidate took
the course over 6 weeks, was an adequately prepared
(experienced CCNP), and had the good study habits and
the capacity to learn quickly, then I'd suppose it
could be done as a matter of routine.
However, that candidate would be the exception to the
rule, I would think.
Not impossible, but still rare.
And the capability of the mass of candidates has no
bearing on a given instructor.
As you must know, being an instructor of some repute
yourself, you will get students who are above average
and some below average.
However, I would be interested in the interview
process for candidates.
Perhaps that does make up the difference. I wonder
how many candidates are in this class as well.
But no matter what, I would still be interested in
hearing testimonials from those who used any
instructor I intended to pay over $8000.00 for.
Just being a consumer. Who knows - Atlanta is a short
shot for me plane-wise, and I have a budget that can
accomodate the pricing.
Answer my questions, and I may perhaps be a suitable
student?
--- Marvin Greenlee <marvin@ipexpert.com> wrote:
> Does the statement really seem that bold? Anyone
> offering two weeks of
> instructor led training, plus additional study
> sessions in addition to hand
> selecting motivated candidates should have a pretty
> high level of confidence
> in the students' preparedness for passing.
>
> How is this any different from other vendors
> offering a class retake?
>
> In the past, many have praised Paul for keeping this
> list going. Are you
> questioning Paul's abilities as an instructor?
>
> Marvin Greenlee
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Darby Weaver
> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 2:35 PM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: GroupStudy accelerated CCIE study group
>
> How many people have taken this course before and
> passed the lab?
>
> It says it guarantees that students pass the lab or
> the next attempt is paid for - who has taken the
> course and passed so far?
>
> I did not see a list of CCIE's on the site, did I
> miss
> it?
>
>
> Don't mean to be skeptical, but how can anyone make
> such a bold statement without proof of concept?
>
>
> --- Paul Borghese <pborghese@groupstudy.com> wrote:
>
> > I have been receiving a number of the same
> questions
> > concerning the program
> > I would like to clarify:
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