From: Darby Weaver (darbyweaver@yahoo.com)
Date: Mon Feb 19 2007 - 22:15:52 ART
All,
Actually, I am quite neutral as far as vendors go,
I've had some good experiences with a few vendors so
far and I've been keeping a diary or two around the
Internet to help keep me motivated to my loyal fans -
who have watched me slip on more more than one banana
along the way.
In fact, I'm prepping with NMC Workbooks on my
weeknights, IE on the weekends, and I'll be reading
all 6 of the NLI workbooks on my way to/from Denver on
my way to get toasted by Heinz Ulm, yet another
illustrious CCIE-Yoda - of at least equal esteem of
all of the vendors whom we all enjoy the company of
here on Groupstudy.
Hold tight guys, if I can keep my horses focused maybe
I'll be a Quad or so in the next 4-28 months or so -
lots of time, money, and resources have I spent trying
to meet my own perrsonal goals.
So at the moment, I am trying to be fairly neutral and
I can almost promise you, I'll probably be spending a
bit of cash with each of the vendors listed here and
elsewhere in the pursuit of my goals.
--- Joe Yohannan <joe1265@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Internetworkexpert is excellent....but I think Darby
> is on the payroll.
> :-)
>
> j/k! Don't get bent out of shape! hehe
>
> - Joe Yo
>
>
> >From: Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> >Reply-To: Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> >To: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk@gmail.com>,
> Marvin Greenlee
> ><marvin@ipexpert.com>
> >CC: Brian Dennis <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com>,
> jennytan
> ><jennytan@isolvesystems.com>, Brian McGahan
>
> ><bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com>,
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >Subject: Passing CCIE Stats.
> >Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:51:37 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >All,
> >
> >Brian Dennis has a valid point, their site does
> list a
> >very impressive list of passing CCIE's (the most of
> >any vendor currently and for a while now) and if an
> >existing CCIE with a lower CCIE number actually
> >reported passing using the InternetworkExpert
> >End-to-End CCIE program of study (for the first
> time,
> >perhaps) then, I suspect that lower number would
> >probably show up close to the top of the list.
> >
> >And recall that many CCIE's pass and have used one
> or
> >more vendor's products - so a given name might show
> up
> >on one or more sites.
> >
> >What the list does not show is which vendors helped
> >them make it over the edge - this you'll have to
> read
> >the success stories here on GS for or simply ask
> them.
> >
> >Now, I hate to hurt anyone's feelings but just
> about
> >anyone (someone may want to count them and actually
> >try and correct me here) who has ever used
> >InternetworkExpert's materials has typically put
> them
> >in the "this is why I passed" category. Going a
> step
> >further, I have also read some other less
> flattering
> >comments about other vendors as well in the same
> >testimonials, but overall those who pass using more
> >than one vendor's materials will be cordial to all
> who
> >helped them along the way.
> >
> >So, what I got from this, after reading so many
> CCIE
> >success stories over the past 6-7 years is that
> >InternetworkExpert is burning CCIE's faster than a
> >"skillet of popcorn"... on a high heat.
> >
> >What is more it seems is that if all of the people
> who
> >are passing using the IE materials were using other
> >vendor's materials, the other vendors are failing
> to
> >keep track of it and posting it as a result (this
> >might mean a poor repoire - but I do not believe
> that
> >at all - so it does mean that IE must be selling
> like
> >hotcakes).
> >
> >I do not want to tell anyone how to run their
> >business's or pricing model, but $5000.00 for an
> end
> >to end program - including workbook, audio, 2 weeks
> in
> >class in-person, COD, 1 Week Mock Labs, and another
> >set of 10 Core Labs, and an ever-increasing
> technology
> >library - CAN BE VERY VERY PERSUASIVE, especially
> >given the quality of the goods. They are typically
> >rate 5 STARS (*****).
> >
> >So if you are another vendor and you cost more than
> >something like this, you might want to re-evaluate
> >your pricing plans - unless you have enough
> business
> >already:
> >
> >1. 2 Weeks CCIE-Level Foundations - If you cost
> more
> >that $3000-5000.00 - you might have some issues
> >competing.
> >
> >2. 1 Week Mock Labs - If you cost more than say
> >$1000.00 or so... You could find it very hard to
> >compete.
> >
> >3. If your whole program exceeds say $5,000.00
> >end-to-end - You got issues.
> >
> >4. If you do not have an equal or better group of
> >product offerings - You may have some problems
> >competing with these guys.
> >
> >Anyone caring to research each vendor's site can
> check
> >and compare.
> >
> >Excuse me if I made any mistakes.
> >
> >It has been my humble observance that
> >InternetworkExpert has set a pretty high standard
> of
> >expectations on what exactly "AN END-TO-END CCIE
> >PROGRAM" actually means.
> >
> >Mostly everyone else is trying to keep up or tread
> >water and if I were in the top four, I might feel a
> >bit threatened.
> >
> >The program these guys are offering appears to
> scale
> >very well.
> >
> >Hey, if you do not believe me - check each site and
> >make a spreadsheet and compare apples to apples.
> >
> >We are all IT people and spreadsheets are common
> >knowledge these days.
> >
> >Do homework and take a look around...
> >
> >Maybe all CCIE Vendors ought to take a step back
> and
> >ask themselves "Exactly what is InternetworkExpert
> >doing right?" and perhaps we all would benefit
> >greatly.
> >
> >Back to my racks...
> >
> >Got some work to knock out...
> >
> >4 more hours tonight...
> >
> >And yes my name will likely be on each vendor's
> list
> >as well. Since I've used them all at this point in
> >the game and will use each of them to compare and
> >contrast my skills.
> >
> >Basically, as Bruce Caslow from NetMasterClass says
> >"The best CCIE Lab prep compares your checklist
> >against anyone's labs".
> >
>
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