From: Joe Yohannan (joe1265@hotmail.com)
Date: Mon Feb 19 2007 - 22:07:55 ART
Internetworkexpert is excellent....but I think Darby is on the payroll.
:-)
j/k! Don't get bent out of shape! hehe
- Joe Yo
>From: Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
>To: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk@gmail.com>, Marvin Greenlee
><marvin@ipexpert.com>
>CC: Brian Dennis <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com>, jennytan
><jennytan@isolvesystems.com>, Brian McGahan
><bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com>, ccielab@groupstudy.com
>Subject: Passing CCIE Stats.
>Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:51:37 -0800 (PST)
>
>All,
>
>Brian Dennis has a valid point, their site does list a
>very impressive list of passing CCIE's (the most of
>any vendor currently and for a while now) and if an
>existing CCIE with a lower CCIE number actually
>reported passing using the InternetworkExpert
>End-to-End CCIE program of study (for the first time,
>perhaps) then, I suspect that lower number would
>probably show up close to the top of the list.
>
>And recall that many CCIE's pass and have used one or
>more vendor's products - so a given name might show up
>on one or more sites.
>
>What the list does not show is which vendors helped
>them make it over the edge - this you'll have to read
>the success stories here on GS for or simply ask them.
>
>Now, I hate to hurt anyone's feelings but just about
>anyone (someone may want to count them and actually
>try and correct me here) who has ever used
>InternetworkExpert's materials has typically put them
>in the "this is why I passed" category. Going a step
>further, I have also read some other less flattering
>comments about other vendors as well in the same
>testimonials, but overall those who pass using more
>than one vendor's materials will be cordial to all who
>helped them along the way.
>
>So, what I got from this, after reading so many CCIE
>success stories over the past 6-7 years is that
>InternetworkExpert is burning CCIE's faster than a
>"skillet of popcorn"... on a high heat.
>
>What is more it seems is that if all of the people who
>are passing using the IE materials were using other
>vendor's materials, the other vendors are failing to
>keep track of it and posting it as a result (this
>might mean a poor repoire - but I do not believe that
>at all - so it does mean that IE must be selling like
>hotcakes).
>
>I do not want to tell anyone how to run their
>business's or pricing model, but $5000.00 for an end
>to end program - including workbook, audio, 2 weeks in
>class in-person, COD, 1 Week Mock Labs, and another
>set of 10 Core Labs, and an ever-increasing technology
>library - CAN BE VERY VERY PERSUASIVE, especially
>given the quality of the goods. They are typically
>rate 5 STARS (*****).
>
>So if you are another vendor and you cost more than
>something like this, you might want to re-evaluate
>your pricing plans - unless you have enough business
>already:
>
>1. 2 Weeks CCIE-Level Foundations - If you cost more
>that $3000-5000.00 - you might have some issues
>competing.
>
>2. 1 Week Mock Labs - If you cost more than say
>$1000.00 or so... You could find it very hard to
>compete.
>
>3. If your whole program exceeds say $5,000.00
>end-to-end - You got issues.
>
>4. If you do not have an equal or better group of
>product offerings - You may have some problems
>competing with these guys.
>
>Anyone caring to research each vendor's site can check
>and compare.
>
>Excuse me if I made any mistakes.
>
>It has been my humble observance that
>InternetworkExpert has set a pretty high standard of
>expectations on what exactly "AN END-TO-END CCIE
>PROGRAM" actually means.
>
>Mostly everyone else is trying to keep up or tread
>water and if I were in the top four, I might feel a
>bit threatened.
>
>The program these guys are offering appears to scale
>very well.
>
>Hey, if you do not believe me - check each site and
>make a spreadsheet and compare apples to apples.
>
>We are all IT people and spreadsheets are common
>knowledge these days.
>
>Do homework and take a look around...
>
>Maybe all CCIE Vendors ought to take a step back and
>ask themselves "Exactly what is InternetworkExpert
>doing right?" and perhaps we all would benefit
>greatly.
>
>Back to my racks...
>
>Got some work to knock out...
>
>4 more hours tonight...
>
>And yes my name will likely be on each vendor's list
>as well. Since I've used them all at this point in
>the game and will use each of them to compare and
>contrast my skills.
>
>Basically, as Bruce Caslow from NetMasterClass says
>"The best CCIE Lab prep compares your checklist
>against anyone's labs".
>
>_______________________________________________________________________
>Subscription information may be found at:
>http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
This archive was generated by hypermail 2.1.4 : Thu Mar 01 2007 - 07:38:47 ART