From: Khawar Butt (khawarb@hotmail.com)
Date: Sun Feb 11 2007 - 11:58:56 ART
Hi Gobind,
First of all, I normally don't respond to e-mails like this, but you have
questioned my integrity so let me clear some of your doubts about me.
First issue: Teaching Classes for IPExpert, CCBootcamp and Trinet NT.
I got my CCIE in 2003. I first taught for IPexpert in 2004. I taught several
classes for IPExpert from 2004 to 2005. I also wrote the IPExpert Security
Workbook version 2.0. I am sure Wayne and Scott can vouch for that. I was the
owner of Trinet NT along with Narbik before it was sold. I also wrote the
Trinet NT Security Workbook. As far as CCbootcamp goes, Brad, as a response to
this e-mail already confirmed that I have taught over there. If you want, I
can also e-mail you some faxed copies of Student evaluations done at IPExpert.
I don't have to lie about teaching a class at a Training Facility.
Second issue: Teaching a guy that has a lower number than me.
Most of the security classes that I have taught have had students with CCIE
numbers much lower than mine. They had passed their CCIE R/S and not done
their security CCIE. So they came and took my Bootcamp for Security. I have
had CCIE's in my class with a number as low as in the 3000 series.
Third issue: Being on two sites. Why can't an instructor teach a class at
multiple centers? I am not sure why that is so difficult to understand or
believe??
Fourth issue: About your friend, saying that I have been delivering CCIE
training for 8 years, that is not true. But that is something you should ask
your friend. I have been teaching IT since 1992. I started teaching CCIE after
I got my CCIE in 2003. I have been delivering CCIE training since 2003. I am
sure Narbik can vouch for that.
Fifth issue: Resume.
It is just the way it came out. I don't think there is any rule that says that
you have to list your certifications or achievements in any order or format.
I hope I cleared your doubts. If you have any questions about the facts that I
wrote in this e-mail, you can contact me offline rather than wasting a forum
which is meant to help in studying.
Khawar Butt
CCIE # 12353 (R/S, Security, SP)
http://www.netmetric-solutions.com
http://www.khawarb.com
E-mail : khawarb@khawarb.com
E-mail : Khawarb@hotmail.com
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Gobind
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 1:55 AM
To: swm@emanon.com; 'Trying CCIE'; 'Brad Ellis'
Cc: 'Narbik Kocharians'; 'Topass Mustpass'; ali.mehdi@atosorigin-me.com;
ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: 1st attempt CCIE R/S - Got my number !
Thanks for answering Scott,thanks for clarifying the point about CCIE Training
to Lower
CCIE Number",Your 2 cents really means a lot ;) Well can you tell me that was
he former
instructor for delivering Bootcamps for CCIE at IPExpert?
Gobind
> -----Original Message-----
> From: swm@emanon.com
> Sent: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 15:18:50 -0500
> To: gobind@inbox.com, dukelondon@gmail.com, brad@ccbootcamp.com
> Subject: RE: 1st attempt CCIE R/S - Got my number !
>
> Most of this conversation I'm going to stay out of... But there's no
> logical problem with CCIE #12353 delivering training to CCIE #8646. At
> least assuming that the lower number CCIE was going for either a
> reactivation (if he let his CCIE # lapse, he'd need a lab to bring it
> back)
> or a second/third/etc. CCIE.
>
> I have delivered training to people with lower numbers than I have. All
> that means is they got their first CCIE before I did. If I sit through
> one
> of our Voice classes while working on my voice CCIE, technically I will
> be
> trained by people with higher number CCIE's than I have.
>
> So it IS possible to do that.
>
> As for the resume, some people list everything some don't. While I may
> personally find it to be more clutter than anything worthwhile, there is
> no
> legal requirement to not list them as far as I'm aware...
>
>
> Just my two cents!
>
>
> Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, JNCIE
> #153, CISSP, et al.
> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
> IPexpert VP - Curriculum Development
> IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
> smorris@ipexpert.com
> http://www.ipexpert.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Gobind
> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 3:04 PM
> To: Trying CCIE; Brad Ellis
> Cc: Narbik Kocharians; Topass Mustpass; ali.mehdi@atosorigin-me.com;
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: 1st attempt CCIE R/S - Got my number !
>
> Hi Brad(and other guys out there:)),
>
> Well there are some things that I want to share about Mr. Butt and there
> are
> some thing which I am really confused and also found something which I
> think
> is really really weird(Correct me if im wrong in that).First of all here
> is
> his offical website:-
>
> http://www.gatestraining.com
> http://www.netmetric-solutions.com
>
> Some things which I found weird(Again saying,correct me if I am wrong :)
> )
>
> In his second website(http://www.netmetric-solutions.com) on the left
> hand
> side you can see the CCIE Number of the guys which took training from him
> and passed the lab exam,you can see the name Michael Brady whose CCIE
> Number
> is 8646 and Mr. Butt's CCIE Number is 12353,and I got know that he passed
> his lab in 2004 and started to give training after that(For CCIE),so how
> can
> he train a guy with CCIE Number 8646 which I think must have passed in
> 2002
> as he started training in 2004.
>
> Other thing I foung weird that(Source My Friend) he said in one of my
> training that he had actually given training FOR CCIE for more than 8
> years
> and had given Bootcamp training at
> :-
>
> - IPexpert.
> - ccbootcamp.
> - Trinetnt
>
> See his website for this three companies name:-
>
> http://www.gatestraining.com/ccie.aspx#ap
>
> (On right hand side)
>
> Hey Brad! You are in CCBootcamp,can you tell that he used to give
> training(Bootcamps) in your company and when he use to give it? Because
> some
> guys says out here that he dint and some says he did.
>
> Thirdly when I see his resume at his website(due to which in India many
> friends of mine are like ":O,OMG! Mr Butt have so much
> certifications!!!!,I
> wanna take training from him!",See his resume:-
>
> http://www.khawarb.com/kbres.html
>
> The weird thing I find in this Resume is,Instead of writing MCSE
> Security,2000,2003 he had wrote MCP 2000,MCP 2003 MCSA 2000,MCSA
> 2003,MCSE
> 2000,MCSE 2003 and many others:P and also instead of writing CCIE XXXXX
> ,R
> &S,Service Provider,Security,he has all together writing his CCNA,CCNP
> etc.....Really long resume,must say that:P
>
> Well I dont have any Harm Intention in saying all these things,but was
> what
> I personally think,maybe his way of marketing(a special way i.e.
> :P.....but
> kind of weird,esp about resume and the CCIE # 8646 part)dont know what
> you
> guys think about this or maybe im seeing that in wrong way ;),waiting for
> your reviews,especially from your Brad ;)
>
> Regards,
> Gobind
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dukelondon@gmail.com
>> Sent: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 17:30:54 +0800
>> To: brad@ccbootcamp.com
>> Subject: Re: 1st attempt CCIE R/S - Got my number !
>>
>> Hi Brad,
>>
>> you are too much mate. hahahahhaha. you've got a great sense of humour.
>> Havent read something this funny in a while. hahahaha, esp the kids
>> part.
>>
>> Cheers!!!!!!!!!!-
>>
>>
>> On 07/02/07, Brad Ellis <brad@ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think TopAss MustPass is being a bit anal about Kwart Butt. How
>>> many asses and butts does it take to pass?
>>>
>>> On a side note, if TopAss MustPass and Kwart Butt had kids, would you
>>> name them TopAss Butt? I suppose either way, it could be a >crappy<
>>> situation if the kids were a pain in the rear (or butt or ass in this
>>> case...)
>>>
>>> lol
>>> (sorry, I couldnt resist)
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Narbik Kocharians" <narbikk@gmail.com>
>>> To: "Topass Mustpass" <ccie_certain@hotmail.com>
>>> Cc: <ali.mehdi@atosorigin-me.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 11:50 AM
>>> Subject: Re: 1st attempt CCIE R/S - Got my number !
>>>
>>>
>>> Mr Topass how was Mr Butt's Class.
>>>
>>> On 2/6/07, Topass Mustpass <ccie_certain@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Ali
>>>> Ali my name is Tunde from Nigeria.U made mention of Kwart Burtt
>>> bootcamp.I
>>>> am contemplating of attending one of this guy botcamps.Please i
>>>> want
>>> you
>>>> give adice about him.Is a really good guy?.I want to do my Routing
>>>> and Switching Lab soon.Please ur advice will be highly needed.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> >Ali Sheeraz Mehdi wrote:
>>>> >>Hi All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> >>I have got my CCIE R/S lab yesterday (11th Jan 2007) in 1st
>>>> >>attempt
>>>> in
>>>> >>Dubai. It was great and a challenging experience for me to finally
>>>> get
>>>> >>this
>>>> >>number. I had working knowledge of Routing and Switching as part
>>>> >>of
>>>> my
>>> 7
>>>> >>year career but I had to align my experience with the exam blue
>>>> >>print
>>>> and
>>>> >>for this I would like to thank some people who made it possible
>>>> >>for
>>> me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> >>Internetwork Expert for their excellent CoD and Workbook, which
>>>> >>has
>>>> guided
>>>> >>me all the way to focus on the technology in the correct direction.
>>>> First
>>>> >>time I did full Vol I and II after reading some recommended books
>>> (like
>>>> >>Jeff
>>>> >>Doyle Vol I and II, Cisco LAN Switching, white papers for QoS and
>>>> some
>>>> >>other
>>>> >>relevant stuff), then I took CoD and I must say it has clarified
>>>> >>many
>>> of
>>>> >>my
>>>> >>practical concepts (Brians did a great job I must say), after CoD
>>>> >>I
>>> have
>>>> >>done all the Vol I and II labs once more and trust me with a great
>>>> >>difference and clear concepts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> >>Last and the most important, I took R/S bootcamp conducted by Mr.
>>> Khawar
>>>> >>Butt in Synergy Professional Training Center in Dubai just 25 days
>>>> before
>>>> >>my
>>>> >>lab date. It was very much effective for me to fill in the
>>>> >>required
>>>> gaps.
>>>> >>Thanks to Mr. Khawar Butt for his valuable time during the
>>>> >>bootcamp
>>>> which
>>>> >>has led me all the way to reach at this stage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> >>I will most probably go for CCIE Service Provider but for sure
>>>> >>after enjoying some days :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> >>Note:
>>>>>>
>>>> >>I was reading a post about Dubai Lab some days ago; it was
>>>> >>perfectly
>>>> fine
>>>> >>although it is remote. I haven't come through any issue during the
>>> exam
>>>> >>and
>>>> >>Proctor was very good as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> >>Good luck to all the candidates for their future exams.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> >>Thanks and Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> >>Ali Sheeraz Mehdi
>>>>>>
>>>> >>CCIE(R&S) # 17346
>>>>>>
>>>> >>Technical Consultant
>>>>>>
>>>> >>Atos Origin
>>>>>>
>>>> >>Level 4, Building 14
>>>>>>
>>>> >>Dubai Internet City
>>>>>>
>>>> >>Dubai, United Arab Emirates
>>>>>>
>>>> >>Phone: +971-4-3901226
>>>>>>
>>>> >>Mobile: +971-50-4542401
>>>>>>
>>>>
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