From: Gobind (gobind@inbox.com)
Date: Fri Feb 16 2007 - 15:35:17 ART
Hi Mr. Butt,
Sorry for replying late,I was not available.First of all thanks for replying to this post,and replying the questions.Well you explained some things in this email,want to clarify somethings.First of all you said that you use to give training for IPexpert and relating this and I asked Sctt about this and he replied (extract from his email):
"He was a contractor to create some material. I am not aware of him actually teaching any classes though."
But maybe he dont know or you taught before him at IPexpert(you know better about this).
{P.S. :- Now I am not asking you to proove it! So please dont think that at this point I am again questioning your integrity and all}
Secondly you clairfied about the thing of "Giving training to Lower no. CCIE',that thing I dint knew about that how that works and all and was confused,so asked that and Scott and other guys replied to that to my email before you,But thanks again for clarifying that.
Thirdly you clarified that you was not giving training for CCIE for past 8 years,thanks for clarifying that also,I got that information from friend which said this and I called him again and he is saying this again,tat he had came to know about your 8 years of CCIE Teaching experience,
Fourthly I havent said anything about giving training at TWO SITES,think you misunderstood about that part.
Fifthly ,you said about your resume,that there isnt any RULE for writing and all,but did i said that there is?,no I dont think so,I said many times that was my personal opinion and I said that any times in that email which I posted.
Lastly you said that writing that kind of emails was wasting of forum,but if someone want to take Bootcamp(my friend who wanted to take CCIE R&S Bootcamp from you and asked me about you and told me to enquire) to others which MAY know the quality of your TRAINING/BOOTCAMP(who have attended or may know you etc.) and clarfying things(which he asked me and to whic I dint had answereed or to which i was not able to find anser even ask my friends locally at my native place) before taking bootcamp,then dont think that was wastage on FORUM,but the things which I PERSONALLY asked like about your resume which had no concerned with Bootcamp or enquiring and all was Tagged by me in that email as my PERSONAL opinion and asked others about it (which some also found it clutter),and there was no harm intended.
If you want to contact me then you can send me offline emails.
Cheers!
Gobind
> -----Original Message-----
> From: khawarb@hotmail.com
> Sent: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 06:58:56 -0800
> To: swm@emanon.com, gobind@inbox.com, dukelondon@gmail.com,
> brad@ccbootcamp.com, narbikk@gmail.com, ccie_certain@hotmail.com,
> ali.mehdi@atosorigin-me.com, ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: 1st attempt CCIE R/S - Got my number !
>
> Hi Gobind,
>
> First of all, I normally don't respond to e-mails like this, but you have
> questioned my integrity so let me clear some of your doubts about me.
>
> First issue: Teaching Classes for IPExpert, CCBootcamp and Trinet NT.
>
> I got my CCIE in 2003. I first taught for IPexpert in 2004. I taught
> several
> classes for IPExpert from 2004 to 2005. I also wrote the IPExpert
> Security
> Workbook version 2.0. I am sure Wayne and Scott can vouch for that. I was
> the
> owner of Trinet NT along with Narbik before it was sold. I also wrote the
> Trinet NT Security Workbook. As far as CCbootcamp goes, Brad, as a
> response to
> this e-mail already confirmed that I have taught over there. If you want,
> I
> can also e-mail you some faxed copies of Student evaluations done at
> IPExpert.
> I don't have to lie about teaching a class at a Training Facility.
>
> Second issue: Teaching a guy that has a lower number than me.
>
> Most of the security classes that I have taught have had students with
> CCIE
> numbers much lower than mine. They had passed their CCIE R/S and not done
> their security CCIE. So they came and took my Bootcamp for Security. I
> have
> had CCIE's in my class with a number as low as in the 3000 series.
>
> Third issue: Being on two sites. Why can't an instructor teach a class at
> multiple centers? I am not sure why that is so difficult to understand or
> believe??
>
> Fourth issue: About your friend, saying that I have been delivering CCIE
> training for 8 years, that is not true. But that is something you should
> ask
> your friend. I have been teaching IT since 1992. I started teaching CCIE
> after
> I got my CCIE in 2003. I have been delivering CCIE training since 2003. I
> am
> sure Narbik can vouch for that.
>
> Fifth issue: Resume.
>
> It is just the way it came out. I don't think there is any rule that says
> that
> you have to list your certifications or achievements in any order or
> format.
>
> I hope I cleared your doubts. If you have any questions about the facts
> that I
> wrote in this e-mail, you can contact me offline rather than wasting a
> forum
> which is meant to help in studying.
>
>
> Khawar Butt
> CCIE # 12353 (R/S, Security, SP)
> http://www.netmetric-solutions.com
> http://www.khawarb.com
> E-mail : khawarb@khawarb.com
> E-mail : Khawarb@hotmail.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Gobind
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 1:55 AM
> To: swm@emanon.com; 'Trying CCIE'; 'Brad Ellis'
> Cc: 'Narbik Kocharians'; 'Topass Mustpass'; ali.mehdi@atosorigin-me.com;
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: 1st attempt CCIE R/S - Got my number !
>
> Thanks for answering Scott,thanks for clarifying the point about CCIE
> Training
> to Lower
> CCIE Number",Your 2 cents really means a lot ;) Well can you tell me that
> was
> he former
> instructor for delivering Bootcamps for CCIE at IPExpert?
>
> Gobind
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: swm@emanon.com
>> Sent: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 15:18:50 -0500
>> To: gobind@inbox.com, dukelondon@gmail.com, brad@ccbootcamp.com
>> Subject: RE: 1st attempt CCIE R/S - Got my number !
>>
>> Most of this conversation I'm going to stay out of... But there's no
>> logical problem with CCIE #12353 delivering training to CCIE #8646. At
>> least assuming that the lower number CCIE was going for either a
>> reactivation (if he let his CCIE # lapse, he'd need a lab to bring it
>> back)
>> or a second/third/etc. CCIE.
>>
>> I have delivered training to people with lower numbers than I have. All
>> that means is they got their first CCIE before I did. If I sit through
>> one
>> of our Voice classes while working on my voice CCIE, technically I will
>> be
>> trained by people with higher number CCIE's than I have.
>>
>> So it IS possible to do that.
>>
>> As for the resume, some people list everything some don't. While I may
>> personally find it to be more clutter than anything worthwhile, there is
>> no
>> legal requirement to not list them as far as I'm aware...
>>
>>
>> Just my two cents!
>>
>>
>> Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
>> JNCIE
>> #153, CISSP, et al.
>> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
>> IPexpert VP - Curriculum Development
>> IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
>> smorris@ipexpert.com
>> http://www.ipexpert.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Gobind
>> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 3:04 PM
>> To: Trying CCIE; Brad Ellis
>> Cc: Narbik Kocharians; Topass Mustpass; ali.mehdi@atosorigin-me.com;
>> ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: Re: 1st attempt CCIE R/S - Got my number !
>>
>> Hi Brad(and other guys out there:)),
>>
>> Well there are some things that I want to share about Mr. Butt and there
>> are
>> some thing which I am really confused and also found something which I
>> think
>> is really really weird(Correct me if im wrong in that).First of all here
>> is
>> his offical website:-
>>
>> http://www.gatestraining.com
>> http://www.netmetric-solutions.com
>>
>> Some things which I found weird(Again saying,correct me if I am wrong :)
>> )
>>
>> In his second website(http://www.netmetric-solutions.com) on the left
>> hand
>> side you can see the CCIE Number of the guys which took training from
>> him
>> and passed the lab exam,you can see the name Michael Brady whose CCIE
>> Number
>> is 8646 and Mr. Butt's CCIE Number is 12353,and I got know that he
>> passed
>> his lab in 2004 and started to give training after that(For CCIE),so how
>> can
>> he train a guy with CCIE Number 8646 which I think must have passed in
>> 2002
>> as he started training in 2004.
>>
>> Other thing I foung weird that(Source My Friend) he said in one of my
>> training that he had actually given training FOR CCIE for more than 8
>> years
>> and had given Bootcamp training at
>> :-
>>
>> - IPexpert.
>> - ccbootcamp.
>> - Trinetnt
>>
>> See his website for this three companies name:-
>>
>> http://www.gatestraining.com/ccie.aspx#ap
>>
>> (On right hand side)
>>
>> Hey Brad! You are in CCBootcamp,can you tell that he used to give
>> training(Bootcamps) in your company and when he use to give it? Because
>> some
>> guys says out here that he dint and some says he did.
>>
>> Thirdly when I see his resume at his website(due to which in India many
>> friends of mine are like ":O,OMG! Mr Butt have so much
>> certifications!!!!,I
>> wanna take training from him!",See his resume:-
>>
>> http://www.khawarb.com/kbres.html
>>
>> The weird thing I find in this Resume is,Instead of writing MCSE
>> Security,2000,2003 he had wrote MCP 2000,MCP 2003 MCSA 2000,MCSA
>> 2003,MCSE
>> 2000,MCSE 2003 and many others:P and also instead of writing CCIE XXXXX
>> ,R
>> &S,Service Provider,Security,he has all together writing his CCNA,CCNP
>> etc.....Really long resume,must say that:P
>>
>> Well I dont have any Harm Intention in saying all these things,but was
>> what
>> I personally think,maybe his way of marketing(a special way i.e.
>> :P.....but
>> kind of weird,esp about resume and the CCIE # 8646 part)dont know what
>> you
>> guys think about this or maybe im seeing that in wrong way ;),waiting
>> for
>> your reviews,especially from your Brad ;)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Gobind
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dukelondon@gmail.com
>>> Sent: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 17:30:54 +0800
>>> To: brad@ccbootcamp.com
>>> Subject: Re: 1st attempt CCIE R/S - Got my number !
>>>
>>> Hi Brad,
>>>
>>> you are too much mate. hahahahhaha. you've got a great sense of humour.
>>> Havent read something this funny in a while. hahahaha, esp the kids
>>> part.
>>>
>>> Cheers!!!!!!!!!!-
>>>
>>>
>>> On 07/02/07, Brad Ellis <brad@ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think TopAss MustPass is being a bit anal about Kwart Butt. How
>>>> many asses and butts does it take to pass?
>>>>
>>>> On a side note, if TopAss MustPass and Kwart Butt had kids, would you
>>>> name them TopAss Butt? I suppose either way, it could be a >crappy<
>>>> situation if the kids were a pain in the rear (or butt or ass in this
>>>> case...)
>>>>
>>>> lol
>>>> (sorry, I couldnt resist)
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Narbik Kocharians" <narbikk@gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Topass Mustpass" <ccie_certain@hotmail.com>
>>>> Cc: <ali.mehdi@atosorigin-me.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 11:50 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: 1st attempt CCIE R/S - Got my number !
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mr Topass how was Mr Butt's Class.
>>>>
>>>> On 2/6/07, Topass Mustpass <ccie_certain@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ali
>>>>> Ali my name is Tunde from Nigeria.U made mention of Kwart Burtt
>>>> bootcamp.I
>>>>> am contemplating of attending one of this guy botcamps.Please i
>>>>> want
>>>> you
>>>>> give adice about him.Is a really good guy?.I want to do my Routing
>>>>> and Switching Lab soon.Please ur advice will be highly needed.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> >Ali Sheeraz Mehdi wrote:
>>>>> >>Hi All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>I have got my CCIE R/S lab yesterday (11th Jan 2007) in 1st
>>>>> >>attempt
>>>>> in
>>>>> >>Dubai. It was great and a challenging experience for me to finally
>>>>> get
>>>>> >>this
>>>>> >>number. I had working knowledge of Routing and Switching as part
>>>>> >>of
>>>>> my
>>>> 7
>>>>> >>year career but I had to align my experience with the exam blue
>>>>> >>print
>>>>> and
>>>>> >>for this I would like to thank some people who made it possible
>>>>> >>for
>>>> me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>Internetwork Expert for their excellent CoD and Workbook, which
>>>>> >>has
>>>>> guided
>>>>> >>me all the way to focus on the technology in the correct direction.
>>>>> First
>>>>> >>time I did full Vol I and II after reading some recommended books
>>>> (like
>>>>> >>Jeff
>>>>> >>Doyle Vol I and II, Cisco LAN Switching, white papers for QoS and
>>>>> some
>>>>> >>other
>>>>> >>relevant stuff), then I took CoD and I must say it has clarified
>>>>> >>many
>>>> of
>>>>> >>my
>>>>> >>practical concepts (Brians did a great job I must say), after CoD
>>>>> >>I
>>>> have
>>>>> >>done all the Vol I and II labs once more and trust me with a great
>>>>> >>difference and clear concepts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>Last and the most important, I took R/S bootcamp conducted by Mr.
>>>> Khawar
>>>>> >>Butt in Synergy Professional Training Center in Dubai just 25 days
>>>>> before
>>>>> >>my
>>>>> >>lab date. It was very much effective for me to fill in the
>>>>> >>required
>>>>> gaps.
>>>>> >>Thanks to Mr. Khawar Butt for his valuable time during the
>>>>> >>bootcamp
>>>>> which
>>>>> >>has led me all the way to reach at this stage.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>I will most probably go for CCIE Service Provider but for sure
>>>>> >>after enjoying some days :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>Note:
>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>I was reading a post about Dubai Lab some days ago; it was
>>>>> >>perfectly
>>>>> fine
>>>>> >>although it is remote. I haven't come through any issue during the
>>>> exam
>>>>> >>and
>>>>> >>Proctor was very good as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>Good luck to all the candidates for their future exams.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>Thanks and Regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>Ali Sheeraz Mehdi
>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>CCIE(R&S) # 17346
>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>Technical Consultant
>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>Atos Origin
>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>Level 4, Building 14
>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>Dubai Internet City
>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>Dubai, United Arab Emirates
>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>Phone: +971-4-3901226
>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>Mobile: +971-50-4542401
>>>>>>>
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