From: kmbrwhit (kmbrwhit@starband.net)
Date: Sun Jul 18 2004 - 12:26:52 GMT-3
All,
I just spent the past week in New Orleans celebrating! Weeeeeeeeeeedoggie,
that was Mr. Toad's wild ride. (Yes, both getting my number and NOLA.)
I passed in RTP last Friday and I have signed the wall of pain!!!!!!!!!!!!
CCIE was one of the most challenging things I have done in my professional
career, but the learning and personal grown was unbelievable. My
undergraduate degree is in electrical engineering and I think I could have
my PhD by now!!!! There is a reason they call this thing the PhD of
networking.
Perhaps there are those that can read a few RFCs and go pass this thing, but
I found that I needed a combination of audio, reading, rack time, audio, and
more reading, and then more rack time..............;-) That is where the
practice labs really help, once you understand the technologies. One of the
things that I found most frustrating was all the MIS-INFORMATION flying
around out there, in Cisco press books, even in the doc CD and in the GS
email threads. If you can test it yourself, that is the best way.
Sometimes it is difficult to test it yourself, but this is really the best
way to be certain. If can't test it and you are reading GS on the topic, do
a sort on the Brians for the most to the point, on the mark answers.
I was just reading the "all September seats are gone" thread and although I
have written this email in my head several times over the past week, one of
the most important things I can say (other than thanks) is to echo what
Howard said in this post. You really need to understand your own personal
learning style, because everyone is different and this will be a key to your
success.
Huge thanks to Wayne and Scott of IPExpert for all of their support. Labs
36-40 are killer. If you are an audio learner (like I am), you should check
out the audio CDs that Scott has created. They are EXCELLENT. I put them
on my mini IPOD and listened to them several times. This will help you lay
a strong foundation and keep the basics fresh in your mind. As so many have
said before, there are no shortcuts. Don't even waste your time looking.
You should understand how every routing protocol works inside and out and
then start mixing them up with redistribution. Then add the fun stuff, QoS,
DLSW, M-cast, etc....
And finally to the Brians. I did a couple of their mock labs before I ever
looked at the IEWB and I realized I still had further to go. A good way to
test your skills is via the InternetworkExpert mock lab and if you don't
have the IEWB, do yourself a huge favor and get it.
Going all the way back to November of 2002, Bruce and Val and Fred you guys
are awesome! Thanks for your patience! Netmaster is a top notch course.
Throughout my path, I would occasionally read GS, mostly I tried to figure
things out and test them myself, which was very time consuming, but my
favorite and most inspiring emails to read were those that posted regarding
getting their number. So, if you have read this far, believe me when I say,
it is worth the pain. Don't give up. I know that 95% of all the CCIE are
men, but to any of you ladies out there, you can do it too!!!!!!
Now, back to playing guitar and my life and my family and my jet ski and
HOLIDAYS! (I've spent the last several major holidays studying!)
Kimberly
#13606
----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" <hcb@gettcomm.com>
To: <security@groupstudy.com>
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 3:58 PM
Subject: RE: all September seats are gone
> At 12:26 AM +0400 7/15/04, Slava Lushchinskiy wrote:
> >....."As you know this is not the proper way to pass the lab"
> >
> >Could you share a secret what is a proper way of passing a lab? You may
have
> >10 yeas of experience and don't pass even written exam without reading
some
> >Cisco books.
>
> I read Scott's response as referring to studying simply by doing
> practice labs. Practice labs that focus on simulating the CCIE lab
> (8-hour) experience are not going to increase knowledge of the subtle
> details of a protocol. Indeed, both Cisco books, and references such
> as RFCs and non-Cisco technology tutorials will be needed there.
>
> Is it reasonable to have practice labs that explore technologies?
> Sure, especially if one is a "tactile learner". In general, however,
> workbooks aren't set up with 20 or so variants on a technology and
> explanations of how they differ.
>
> Tactile learners absorb the most information from hands-on typing and
> experimenting. The other recognized classes of learner (and no one is
> purely one type) are visual (reading or perhaps slide presentation)
> and aural (lecture). For example, I'm primarily a visual learner,
> next tactile, and next aural.
>
> Tactile/visual/aural is only one set of variables about how people
> learn. Some people learn best by doing lots of practice paper tests.
> I learn better by doing designs for networks using the technology,
> and, while not a technique useful to everyone, thinking about how I
> would implement the technology in software and hardware inside a
> router.
>
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
Brian
> >Dennis
> >Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 10:14 PM
> >To: swm@emanon.com; security@groupstudy.com
> >Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >Subject: RE: all September seats are gone
> >
> >
> > Many of them
> >tried to pass the lab by just doing CCIE level practice labs over and
> >over. As you know this is not the proper way to pass the lab. So it's
> >not that they aren't as smart as the person that passed on the first
> >try, it's just that they didn't learning the correct way.
> >
> >Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security)
> >bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
> >Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> >http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
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> >Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
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