From: Howard C. Berkowitz (hcb@gettcomm.com)
Date: Mon Jun 21 2004 - 11:40:56 GMT-3
At 8:46 AM -0500 6/21/04, Jason Graun wrote:
>Well the guy has his first kid and you send a message basically saying I
>don't care lets just get the technical information and not have any
>compassion for anybody. I wondered if you were a human being after
>criticizing the group for the e-mail going around and calling it spam like
>it was useless. You know I read a lot of stuff on the group that I don't
>agree with but I pick my battles on what I respond with and what I give time
>and energy to. Your negativity towards the situation got me pissed off.
>Maybe my response e-mail was a bit harsh but celebrating life is always
>worth time and energy!
In all fairness to Ali, it's one thing to criticize what seems a
harsh message. It's completely over the top and unacceptable to bring
national, ethnic, religious, etc., epithets in it.
Yes, this list was started in America. I think it's fair to say that
while Paul Borghese is an American, he has never regarded this list
as other than international. People have been banned for national,
ethnic, religious or political flames, not so much as for censorship
as for the very real problem that such things tend to produce flame
wars.
While I am confident Scott's child process will do a fine job of not
flow-controlling substances that should dampen both BGP routes and
flames, your response to Ali was not acceptable.
At the same time, Ali's bringing up Abu Gharib is also inappropriate
to the list.
Let the flames be damped. Scott, got some surplus used diapers
available? FWIW, several theoretical models of large-scale routing
behavior rely on hydraulic models.
>
>Scott congratulations on the baby, the best of luck to you and your family!
>
>Jason
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>alijkhan@emirates.net.ae
>Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 5:50 AM
>To: jgraun@comcast.net
>Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com
>Subject: Re: RE: Congratulations Scott Morris (Is this a technical
>discusssion???)
>
>Dear All
>
>Although I had just suggested that after congratulating Mr. Morris, we
>should move back to technical discussions, the response below and
>others like it which have been sent directly to me without being
>copied to the list, shows the level of some of the people on this
>list.
>
>There was a lot of discussion on this list after my email about the
>human element and taking time out from CCIE studies. I have only one
>simple question, is the email below a response from a fellow human
>being ???
>
>I have had many other emails with similar content that really shows
>the sick minds they are coming from. I am really sad to read these
>and I just wonder what happened to freedom of expression mentioned
>below. Because whether we agree or disagree on something, atleast
>respect for fellow humans should be there. or does everything has to
>be like Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq?
>
>regards
>
>Ali J Khan
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Jason Graun <jgraun@comcast.net>
>Date: Saturday, June 19, 2004 7:55 pm
>Subject: RE: Congratulations Scott Morris (Is this a technical
>discusssion???)
>
>> Hey terrorist stop being a jackass, if you don't like it don't
>> read it.
>> This e-mail list was started in America were we have freedoms and
>> God given
>> rights. I realize that this might be a new concept for your
>> terror based
>> religion.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Ali
>> Jamshed Khan
>> Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 10:34 PM
>> To: Church, Chuck; Mike Stuckey; ccielab@groupstudy.com;
>> security@groupstudy.com
>> Cc: smorris@ipexpert.com
>> Subject: Re: Congratulations Scott Morris (Is this a technical
>> discusssion???)
>>
>> I think this is a STRICTLY technical study group and I see less
>> congratulations when someone passes the CCIE.
>> ok so Mr. Morris has done his job. Now can ALL OF U stop this
> > mindlesschatter and stop SPAMMING my inbox with non-technical
>> issues????
>> Thanks in Advance
>>
>> Ali J Khan
>> Emerging Technology Analyst
>> I & eS, Etisalat
>> Office: 04-2025544
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Church, Chuck" <cchurch@wamnetgov.com>
>> To: "Mike Stuckey" <mstuckey@wantec.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>;
>> <security@groupstudy.com>
>> Cc: <smorris@ipexpert.com>
>> Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 10:07 PM
>> Subject: RE: Congratulations Scott Morris
>>
>>
>> > I think Scott had a little something to do with it, if my
>> understanding> of human reproduction is correct...
>> >
>> >
>> > Chuck Church
>> > Lead Design Engineer
>> > CCIE #8776, MCNE, MCSE
>> > Wam!Net Government Services - Design & Implementation Team
>> > 13665 Dulles Technology Dr. Ste 250
>> > Herndon, VA 20171
>> > Office: 703-480-2569
>> > Cell: 703-819-3495
>> > cchurch@wamnetgov.com
>> > PGP key:
>> >
>> http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=index&search=cchurch%
>40wamnetgov.> com
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> > Mike Stuckey
>> > Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 11:27 AM
>> > To: mikram@bluewin.ch; MMoniz; Wayne Lawson;
>ccielab@groupstudy.com;
>> > security@groupstudy.com
>> > Cc: jason@ipexpert.com; john@ipexpert.com; craig@ipexpert.com;
>> > rob@ipexpert.com; smorris@ipexpert.com
>> > Subject: RE: Congratulations Scott Morris
>> >
>> > Everyone is congratulating Scott. He didn't do anything. I
>> would like
>> > to congratulate his wife. So now Scott remember you are a Father
>> not a
>> > babysitter.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > --Mike
>> >
>> > Michael L. Stuckey, CCNA CCNP NSCA5.0a
>> > Network Specialist
>> > WAN Technologies
>> > 888-926-7771
>> > www.wantec.com
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: mikram@bluewin.ch [mikram@bluewin.ch]
>> > Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 9:30 AM
>> > To: MMoniz; Wayne Lawson; ccielab@groupstudy.com;
>> > security@groupstudy.com
>> > Cc: jason@ipexpert.com; john@ipexpert.com; craig@ipexpert.com;
>> > rob@ipexpert.com; smorris@ipexpert.com
>> > Subject: RE: Congratulations Scott Morris
>> >
>> > Well done Scott, I guess now you wanna go for voice lab :-))
>> >
>> > Muhammad Ikram CCIE3
>> > >-- Message original --
>> > >From: "MMoniz" <ccie2002@tampabay.rr.com>
>> > >To: "Wayne Lawson" <groupstudy@ipexpert.net>,
>> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>,> > <security@groupstudy.com>
>> > >Cc: <jason@ipexpert.com>, <john@ipexpert.com>,
>> <craig@ipexpert.com>,> > <rob@ipexpert.com>,
>> <smorris@ipexpert.com>> >Subject: RE: Congratulations Scott Morris
>> > >Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:05:05 -0400
>> > >Reply-To: "MMoniz" <ccie2002@tampabay.rr.com>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >WOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOO
>> > >
>> > >Congrats Scott!!!!! Good thing you got "most" of your IE's out
>> of the
>> > way!!!
>> > >
>> > >Now it is time to become a different IE!!!! Poop IE, on the
>> WALL IE,
>> > >cat in toilet IE!!!!!! and many more IE's !!! lol
>> > >
>> > >Congrats man!!!
>> > >
>> > >Mike Moniz
>> > >Student
>> > >CCIE#13347
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >-----Original Message-----
>> > >From: nobody@groupstudy.com [nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
>> > >Wayne Lawson
>> > >Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 2:53 PM
>> > >To: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com
>> > >Cc: jason@ipexpert.com; john@ipexpert.com; craig@ipexpert.com;
>> > >rob@ipexpert.com; smorris@ipexpert.com
>> > >Subject: Congratulations Scott Morris
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >Gang,
>> > >
>> > > Typically I wouldn't post something personal on this list, but
>> many of
>> > you
>> > >know Scott personally - and he's been a valuable contributor to
>> this> list!
>> > >With that being said - I'd like to congratulate Scott Morris
>> and his
>> > >wife
>> > >(Carrie) on the birth of their first child - daughter - Sydney
>Ann.
>> > >She was born bright and early this AM, both Carrie and the Baby
>are
>> > >doing find....Scott, well - he fainted and has a huge lump on
>> his head!
>> > >(grin).....Oh, Sydney has already passed the CCIE written and
>> will be
>> > >taking the lab shortly...Scott doesn't waste any time - does he?!?
>> > >-smile-
>> > >
>> > >Thanks - We Truly Appreciate Your Business!
> > > >
>> > >Wayne A. Lawson II
>> > >Founder & CEO - IPexpert, Inc.
>> > >// CCIE #5244, CCNA, CCDA, MCSE, CNE
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>> > > wayne@IPexpert.com
>> > >URL: http://www.IPexpert.com &
>> > >
>> > >"Self-Paced, Instructor Led & Distance Learning Certification
>> Training> >for the CCIE (R&S, Sec, SP and Voice Lab), CCSP, CCNP,
>> CCNA & Cisco
>> > >Wireless Technologies"
>> > >
>> >
>>
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