From: Thomas Larus (tlarus@cox.net)
Date: Mon May 10 2004 - 18:15:51 GMT-3
You have qualified the question (with "high-rent" and "on the strength of a
CCIE alone" so that you will get very few "yes" answers. Very few people
get a really high-level job based on "CCIE alone." Almost all will also
have experience and/or good educational credentials and/or a security
clearance, etc.
Many of the higher paid CCIEs will live in "high-rent" areas. It is not
simply that folks get paid more in "high-rent" areas because of the cost of
living. It is also that these places happen to be where most of the more
interesting and higher-end jobs exist. I mean, in Virginia, Northern
Virginia (Herndon, Vienna, Alexandria, Arlington) is where almost all jobs
calling for CCIE are. It is not just that a CCIE in lower-cost areas (like
Roanoke or Richmond) might make less, on average, than those in "high-rent"
areas. It is that the most jobs that call for CCIEs tend to be in the
high-rent areas. These facts fact tends to skew CCIE pay a bit high. But
then, many of the neworking jobs that do not call for CCIE are in the same
high-rent areas, so perhaps the effect is not so pronounced.
An exception that I can think of would be CCIEs working at military bases in
lower-cost areas. I am certain that there are plenty of CCIE making over 80k
at bases in areas that are not very high-rent. But then, very few, if any,
will have gotten their job on the strength of CCIE alone. They will have
security clearance(s), or at least be clearable, and probably other strong
points, too. Thankfully, at least one other exception exists-- Research
Triangle Park, where Cisco and other companies probably have plenty of CCIEs
making over 80k and housing is not ridiculously expensive.
If anyone wants CCIE primarily for the promise of making a boatload of
money, there are probably better ways to get it.
Tom Larus, CCIE #10,014
Author of CCIE Warm-Up: Advice and Learning Labs
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph D. Phillips" <jphillips@ufcwdrugtrust.org>
To: "Pickard" <richardlpickard@hotmail.com>; "Chris"
<clarson52@comcast.net>; "Jay Chandradas" <jachandr@cisco.com>; "Group Study
(E-mail)" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 4:10 PM
Subject: RE: Third attempt
> I'm wondering just how nice the paychecks are.
>
> Anyone here, on the strength of a CCIE alone, make more than $80,000 that
doesn't live in a high-rent area?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pickard [mailto:richardlpickard@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 14:11
> To: Chris; Jay Chandradas; Joseph D. Phillips; 'Group Study (E-mail)'
> Subject: Re: Third attempt
>
>
> I agree with you that the cert in & of it self is worthless, & I
understand
> where you are coming from when you say each attempt makes you better
> HOWEVER
> I passed on the first try & I would not say I am dumber that someone who
> went 5 times
>
> I can tell you that the cert opens a lot of doors ( & brings a nice
> paycheck)
>
> Richard
> #12388
>
> //
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris" <clarson52@comcast.net>
> To: "Jay Chandradas" <jachandr@cisco.com>; "'Joseph D. Phillips'"
> <jphillips@ufcwdrugtrust.org>; "'Group Study (E-mail)'"
> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 1:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Third attempt
>
>
> > Oh yeah. Just to add and affirm what Jay posted. The cert alone is
> > worthless. The real value is in the road to the certification. Something
I
> > am sure all the cheaters find out very quickly after passing and trying
to
> > get a good job with a good salary. Even now you have probably grown
> > technically stronger then you ever have been. I know it doesn't help
with
> > motivation but there is considerable value in that. Not just technical
> value
> > either.......besides... you will get it next time.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jay Chandradas" <jachandr@cisco.com>
> > To: "'Joseph D. Phillips'" <jphillips@ufcwdrugtrust.org>; "'Group Study
> > (E-mail)'" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 3:43 PM
> > Subject: RE: Third attempt
> >
> >
> > > Hi Joseph,
> > >
> > > Don't give up. You will get it next time. Give yourself some more and
> > > try to find out where all the area that you need to concentrate more.
> > >
> > > You may not realize now that you have learnt a lot by studying for
your
> > > third attempt. Just because you failed, you are not able to appreciate
> > > that. When you study for the forth attempt you will realize that you
> > > have leanred a lot and things will become much more easier. You know a
> > > lot..just need a little more and you r getting a chance to learn more
by
> > > preparing again for the forth attempt.
> > >
> > > Good luck,
> > >
> > > -Jay
> > >
> > >
> > > Jay Chandradas, CCIE #8060 ( R&S , Security )
> > > jachandr@cisco.com
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
Of
> > > Joseph D. Phillips
> > > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 12:27 PM
> > > To: Group Study (E-mail)
> > > Subject: Third attempt
> > >
> > >
> > > I failed my third attempt last 5/3/2004 in San Jose. The weird thing
is,
> > > I was pretty sure I aced it. I was half-expecting to fail anyway,
> > > because one can never know for sure. I have given myself a week to
sort
> > > out my emotions. I have to say at this point that I am finding it very
> > > hard to go on. I will, but I don't know why.
> > >
> > > I have absolutely no faith that I'll pass the next time, either. I can
> > > ace all the Internetworkexpert labs (I did all of them, twice),
attended
> > > a week-long boot camp (IPExpert), got every interface to ping every
> > > interface, and it still wasn't good enough.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Joseph Rinehart [mailto:jjrinehart@hotmail.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 08:04
> > > To: Stephen Skinner; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: Re: Woops ....Failed my first attempt
> > >
> > >
> > > Don't feel bad, I will be attempting my fourth and hopefully final lab
> > > on July 30....
> > >
> > > First time wasn't ready, don't think most are....
> > >
> > > Second time I really was disappointed still wasnt ready but almost
> > > quit....
> > >
> > > Third time I finished by 2:30, overcame a lot of obstacles and nearly
> > > passed, but no banana. Because I felt this was the first time I was
> > > "really" ready it didn't bother me nearly as much.
> > >
> > > Just thought I would let you know you are not alone....
> > >
> > > :)
> > >
> > > Joe Rinehart, CCNP/CCDP
> > > Data Network Consultant
> > > AT&T Business Services, Pacific Northwest
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Stephen Skinner" <stephen_ski@hotmail.com>
> > > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 7:43 AM
> > > Subject: Woops ....Failed my first attempt
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi ...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > well i got my backside handed to me on friday in brussells ....
> > > >
> > > > i failed simply because my basic wernt upto scratch ....
> > > >
> > > > i failed with ISDN ...OSPF ....DLSW and BGP ....i got all the "
Hard"
> > > > as
> > > in
> > > > unusuall question`s ..
> > > > that are thrown in every now and then ....but all the stuff which i
> > > > should know and is dependent on everything else i stuffed up ...
> > > >
> > > > i.e i cant get point on ospf if i can`t get my link`s to work
...that
> > > > sort of thing....
> > > >
> > > > but i am going again ...7th june ....and am going to lab my behind
off
> > >
> > > > uintil then...
> > > >
> > > > cheers
> > > >
> > > > steve
> > > >
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