From: William Lijewski (wlijewski@cox.net)
Date: Sun Apr 18 2004 - 04:12:20 GMT-3
What is right for you may not be right for someone else. I would suggest
this - Call the schools that you have mentioned and ask to talk to the
instructor(s). Make a list of questions and concerns that you have before
calling, throw a couple of technical questions in too, and ask all of the
instructors the same questions. Their feedback should help you decide, and
not only is the feedback you get from them important, the most important
thing (in my opinion) is how you feel after talking to them.
The 'feeling' is a little difficult to quantify, but here goes:
Were they friendly and forthcoming with their answers? Did they seem to be
rushed and just wanted to get you off the phone and into the class? Or were
they willing to take what time was needed to answer your questions?
Did they give you satisfactory answers and explanations? Or were they quick
'yes' and 'no' responses?
Did they ask questions about you? Did they find out your background, how
much experience you have, what certifications you have, how long and how
much you have been studying?
This one is important. Did you connect? Yes, it was probably only a 10 -
20 minute phone call but you can usually tell a lot about someone in a short
period of time. Did this seem like someone you could talk to and
understand? Did they seem to understand you?
The instructor is what makes or breaks the Bootcamp. If it is someone you
didn't like talking to on the phone, it's definitely not someone you want to
take a week long class from.
Good luck!
Bill Lijewski
CCIE #8642
Network Learning Inc
5 Day R&S CCIE Bootcamp Instructor
http://www.ccbootcamp.com
bill@eccie.com
1-702-968-5100
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Volodymyr Levytskyy
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 10:02 PM
To: swm@emanon.com; Administrator; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: boot camp [bcc][faked-from]
Importance: Low
thanks guys....
i am filling like i need more practice before attend bootcamp, but anyway
can i get some review of different bootcamp?? there a lot of them, don't
wanna go wrong
ccbootcamp, ipexpert, internetworkexpert and netmasterclass are good... hard
to say which one is good for me,
i guess they all different in way how they are going... wanna choose the
right for me...
thanks again
vlad
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com>
To: "'Administrator'" <Administrator@standardaerotech.ca>; "'Volodymyr
Levytskyy'" <vovan@shaw.ca>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 5:50 PM
Subject: RE: boot camp
> Is there a difference beteen helping to pass the lab exam and helping you
> see where you were and what level you were at?
>
> I wasn't aware that the two were mutually exclusive of ecah other. Yes,
the
> bootcamp should help point out where you are at and see what areas you
need
> work with. Yes, the bootcamp should help you develop a strategy. Yes, it
> should give you a venue to talk with others in the same boat you are in
and
> have your questions adequately answered by a (hopefully) knowledgeable
> instructor.
>
> Are those things all not steps along the way to helping you with your lab
> exam? I would think so. That's what is supposed to happen anyway.
>
> Nobody can guarantee that you will pass the lab. There are a number of
> factors outside of an instructor delivering multiple missives to the
masses,
> many of which are personal in nature. However, preparation can reach a
> level where things are familiar enough for someone to pass.
>
> Nobody can know everything, but you can be presented with a series of
> information that allows you a framework to attack any technology thrown at
> you. It's that whole "teaching you to fish" rather than presenting a
> platter of prepared fish for you. The "battle" is different for each
person
> though. I do agree with you though that bootcamps promising that you will
> pass the exam are crossing a difficult line between philosophy and
> marketing! (I'm really hoping that we don't PROMISE that! (grin))
>
>
> Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, CISSP,
> JNCIS, et al.
> IPExpert CCIE Program Manager
> IPExpert Sr. Technical Instructor
> swm@emanon.com/smorris@ipexpert.net
> http://www.ipexpert.net
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Administrator
> Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 8:48 AM
> To: 'Volodymyr Levytskyy'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: boot camp
>
> What a crock of crap that is. The bootcamp helped me see where I am and
> what level I was at. It gave me a chance to see where I stood in respect
> to myself, and the other people in the class. It gave me a venue to
discuss
> issues with other real live people. The bootcamp that I went to showed me
> my areas of weakness, and for 6 months since then I have been bustin my
a$$
> to get ready for my first title shot at the CCIE belt.
>
> To say that the bootcamps make you pass the lab exam only is BS. Its
> actually disrespectful to all the people here and the people that teach
the
> bootcamp. 5 days does not make you CCIE material, period. I took my
> bootcamp in Novemeber. I have been doing labs 8 to 10 hours a day every
day
> since then. The bootcamp showed me that I had a lot to learn, and then I
> went in that direction.
>
> As far as I know, there is no easy way to win this battle, to even say
that
> is crap.
>
> Christian
> CCIE # (fill in here hopefully soon)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Volodymyr Levytskyy [mailto:vovan@shaw.ca]
> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 10:28 PM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: boot camp
>
>
> Hey people
>
> Any comments about different bootcamp. ccbootcamp, ipexpert,
netmasterclass,
> ...
> I heard a lot of people taking boot camp and next day going to take lab
> exam. Seems like boot camp help to pass lab exam only... But I can be
> wrong... :)))
>
> Thanks...
> Vlad
>
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