From: Leo Seto (lseto@us.cnlink.net)
Date: Tue May 20 2003 - 17:07:50 GMT-3
I think I was imagining things. Sorry about that. There is no official
word on that so what I heard must have been just speculation.
You could always email them and ask.
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/learning/le3/le11/learning_ccie_labs.html
Now that I think about it, the right thing to do may be to browse 12.1 and
12.2 if you have an upcoming lab exam, say, 5 months away. But that is just
IMHO.
I now see that 12.3 is the "current Cisco IOS release" at
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/home/home.htm.
So, I can't wait to get to try out that IOS and test out some new features.
-Leo
-----Original Message-----
From: Yasser Aly [mailto:blackyeyes00@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 12:47 PM
To: lseto@us.cnlink.net; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: CCIE #11664 / Re: not a good day
Hi Leo,
Well congratulations for crossing the otherside of the fence. Should be a
great feeling I guess.
Just a small question, You mentioned that 12.2 will be used starting from
November, can u point out a url from Cisco website confirming this ?
Once again, enjoy the glory and get ready for your next challenge.
Regards,
Yasser
>From: "Leo Seto"
>
>Last week I said I would pass my lab on Monday and I did -- #11664, but
not
>without a lot of stress and worry. I didn't get a "Congratulations" email
>that people keep talking about, but when I logged on to the Cisco website
it
>said I had passed.
>
>I took the lab in San Jose yesterday and it was completely different from
my
>previous lab attempt. I used maybe the last 30 minutes checking over
>everything and thought I did a decent job of meeting the requirements,
but
>in the car on the way to the airport I realized that I had forgotten to
do
>one 3 point requirement entirely!! Ooops. Max 97 pts -- 17 pt cushion.
>Later throughout the day I kept thinking about a few other requirements
and
>how my config didn't meet them. Max 90 pts -- 10 pt cushion (gulp!).
>Luckily, it held.
>
>My mind wasn't 100% yesterday because of a bad headache and allergies.
(If
>you see an Asian guy on an airplane who is sneezing, don't look at him as
if
>he has SARS :), it could be he just took an 8 hour lab exam and didn't
sleep
>well the night before).
>
>The proctor Maurelio (sp?) was professional and courteous. He let us know
>that in the past candidates had done some things which had "broken" the
lab
>for everyone (change an IP to someone else's termserver? I'm not sure
what
>exactly).
>
>Basically, what helped me pass was failing. It made me read the config
>guides slowly and thoroughly. If you don't get it, you MUST lab it up and
>see for yourself. One piece of advice I would offer is to use the 12.1
>guides, not the 12.2. When they change to 12.2 in November then you
should
>be studying 12.2. It may save you a few points. The second piece of
advice
>is never trust someone's solution on groupstudy or any such places -- lab
it
>up yourself and "nuke the site from orbit," it's the only way to be sure.
>
>I'm wondering who I should be thanking now. First I thank myself for
going
>through with this, (har har). It has been 1 year of off and on studying
>while working a bit with the technologies. Of course the stuff you lab up
>is 10x more complicated than the stuff you implement in the field.
Without
>sheer will and determination and $10,000 worth of equipment, I don't
think I
>could have done it because my girlfriend, family, or boss sure can't help
me
>with things like OSPF authentication. There's a huge disconnect between
>people who do this Cisco stuff and people who don't, or maybe it is just
my
>imagination. There were times when I didn't sleep enough and I would hear
>the whirling sound of routers in my head for the whole day. I finally can
>unplug most of it now and sell it on ebay. Being able to finally sell the
>equipment was a huge motivation.
>
>Lastly, what Donny says in the email below couldn't be more true. Failing
>may be a blow to one's confidence, but it forces you to be better if you
>choose to continue. I always told myself that when I made it to the
"other
>side of the fence" I wouldn't forget about what got me there and also the
>quality intelligent people who haven't crossed it yet. There are some
>people out there who are know this stuff better than half the CCIEs out
>there but might have failed on their last attempt. It happens, since some
>of it is luck and you could get tested on obscure stuff or the lab could
>break because some newbie took your ATM or term server IP address, or you
>could get the proctor from hell, you get the picture. Heck, the whole DOC
>CD situation was confusing. Which one to study? Which one to use as _the_
>authoritative resource? Will it match the one in the lab, etc. Bottom
>line, if you know the stuff well enough you can pass even with the +0
>through -5 pts tolerance for the unexpected factors.
>
>As for me, it's time to move on to something else, like getting a law
>degree. It probably will prove to be easier than getting a CCIE. (At
least
>for me personally)
>
>Leo Seto
>
>CCIE #11664
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> > Behalf Of Donny MATEO
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 10:16 PM
> > To: Roger McNeace
> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: Not a good day
> >
> >
> > While I agree failing the CCIE exam is sort of a black hole
> > of confidence specially when you have 3-4 hours double
> > checking everything. I learn one thing that is probaly not
> > quite obvious. Is that by failing, I study harder, I learn
> > deeper, I read the doc
> > words by words, I learn to read and understand question more
> > carefully and I learn to be a very details and ask the
> > proctor to clarify any doubts I have until there is none or
> > its close to 0%.
> > It hurts when you failed an exam, but sometimes it's a good
> > thing. When you lost your confidence you tends to be more
> > open to alternative and set aside your ego (i'm right the
> > router and the whole world are wrong attitude) and that
> > enables you to see
> > things in different perspective and learn new thing.
> > The point I'm trying to make is failing the exam has earn me
> > great rewards, the ability to understand question, the
> > details work, the asking atitude (instead of well I think
> > this should be like this attitude) and a deeper understanding
> > of the knowledge
> > required not only by the lab test by also in real life.
> > Specially since I don't have any opportunity to join any of
> > those bootcamp classes, limited equipment (I dig my own
> > pocket which is not much considering I work in an end user
> > company in singapore and
> > under paid!) and time.
> > So, don't give in, you still have a chance if you do it, you
> > won't have a chance if you quit. Even 1/1000.000 is still a
> > possibility, which is better than 0.
> >
> > Donny
> > CCIE #11189
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Roger McNeace
> >
> >
> > > > "'Kim, Wol - BLS CTR'" , "'Joe Carr'"
> > ,
> > rk.com>
> > ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >
> > Sent by: cc:
> >
> >
> > nobody@groupstudy Subject: RE:
> > Not a good day
> >
> > .com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 05/20/2003 01:51
> >
> >
> > AM
> >
> >
> > Please respond to
> >
> >
> > Roger McNeace
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I feel your pain. I failed a couple a weeks ago. I finished
> > the test with 3
> > hours to spare, but I still failed. I also got low scores in
> > areas where I
> > thought I did well. I believe you are right with the fact that the
> > questions need to read very carefully. I may have lost alot
> > of points by not
> > accurately interperting the hidden meaning of the question.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kim, Wol - BLS CTR [mailto:Kim.Wol@bls.gov]
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 12:06 PM
> > To: 'Joe Carr'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: Not a good day
> >
> >
> > I also failed the lab yesterday in RTP and knew I missed a
> > few questions,
> > which made me think I might pass it. But they gave me scores
> > the way below
> > I expected even if failed. For example, on IGP section, most of the
> > questions were familiar with me and had all connectivities
> > for all routers
> > but got below 50%...Not even close to... I didn't see any trick
> > requirements and I configured without any major problem. It
> > could be a
> > problem with myself to interpret the questions but at least
> > not that below
> > scores.
> > Now I start wondering if I will ever pass this test. I
> > don't know if I
> > have to keep going because I know the next preparation for
> > the lab will be
> > pretty much same as before.
> > I also found backbone problem after wasting of quite long time.
> > Seems like you have to be very precise to interpret the
> > questions to pass
> > the test, but I still don't see why I got that such a low scores.....
> >
> > Wol
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joe Carr [mailto:Joe.Carr@oati.net]
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:48 AM
> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Not a good day
> >
> >
> > Well, I took the lab in RTP yesterday and I got the same test as I had
> > before. In some sections where I got 100% before I answered
> > the same and did
> > not get the full points! Also I had asked the proctor about a
> > cretin section
> > that was not working properly and he did not help until I
> > asked him for the
> > 3rd time and on another section the second time I asked him
> > he gave me a
> > different answer. It turned out that the backbone was messed
> > up! What the
> > %@#!. I have lost a little respect for the CCIE
> > certification. I guess my
> > question is should I pay the $250 to have them review my
> > test? How long does
> > that take?
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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