From: Kip Palmer (kip.palmer@verizon.net)
Date: Sat Feb 22 2003 - 16:29:30 GMT-3
Well done, Tom!
Kip Palmer
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-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Tom Larus
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 9:15 AM
To: Joe Chang; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Thinking out loud, you still got a mind with thoughts
inside?
Joe Chang:
I'm with you. While it is certainly correct that one should honor the
rules of this forum and attempt some research before simply blurting out
a question, I am certainly not for vigorous enforcement so this list
only addresses the truly new and truly difficult problems.
At the end of a long day (at work or in the lab), it is nice to come
home and relax by reading this forum. Sometimes, someone comes up with
a new twist on an old solution to an oft-asked question. It is nice to
see, again and again, the same or similar answers to oft-asked
questions, because it provides a good review and tends to confirm that
the answer is indeed correct. If it was not correct, someone in the
group would proudly offer a correction. Reading the list was a way to
relax while I prepared for the Lab. I generally did not count it as Lab
prep time in my lab notebook, yet I was learning even as I relaxed.
Also, I like having the chance to take a stab at answering simple
questions or questions which may have been answered before. When I post
an answer, like I did the other day, I can then receive some correction
about a point of syntax. ( I'm rebuilding my lab now so that I can check
syntax at home). A trainer from a first-rate CCIE training outfit and I
each made the same mistake in our response to a relatively easy
question-- we each put "ip" in a standard ip access-list-- and our error
was noted. All of this back and forth contribution and correction
probably looked like a waste of time to someone who thought that the
original question never should have been asked.
With all the hard work one needs to do to learn what one needs to learn
in order to be prepared to make a respectable attempt at the CCIE lab,
it's nice to have a few lessons spoon-fed to you.
My gosh, if I had to spend as many days in my lab figuring out every
problem as I had to spend figuring out a few of the problems, I would
never have gotten there. I know some of you really see the CCIE as a
lifetime achievement award for networkers who know just about everything
about everything, I don't view it that way. I view it as one step in a
long journey of learning-- and an early step at that.
Time for me to put on an asbestos suit for suggesting that spoonfeeding
is EVER a good thing.
Tom Larus
CCIE#10,014
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Chang" <changjoe@earthlink.net>
To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: Thinking out loud, you still got a mind with thoughts
inside?
> Jennifer is completely wrong. Even working through the simplest
> questions helps me become more adept with the IOS and brings me closer
> to a
successful
> lab. I'm sure many others feel the same way too. So to everyone on
> this list, please keep the questions coming in, no matter how simple.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jennifer Bellucci" <jennifer_bellucci@hotmail.com>
> To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 5:14 PM
> Subject: Thinking out loud, you still got a mind with thoughts inside?
>
>
> > Hello Group members and what-have-you
> >
> > I have been reading some of the mails on the list and have been
> > feeling slightly, well pissed off. You see people sending mails
> > about what subjects are on the lab, what's
> not on
> > the lab, where can I find this and what's that. That's all fair and
good,
> > that's why this group exists. What really gets to me is that people
don't
> > bother reading through the archives or going on CCO to look first.
> > 70% of the mails could be avoided by just reading instead of being
> spoon-fed
> > the information. These people are either mentally impaired in a way
> > that
> is
> > not detectable by current medical practices or they have no idea
> > what
> there
> > talking about.
> >
> > If you really don't know, then send the mail and that's that. I see
people
> > sending some questions they should be shot for asking. Are these
> > people
> really
> > studying for the CCIE or studying at all? I admit, I have sent some
crappy
> > mails to the list asking something really simple, but then I
> > discovered
I
> have
> > a brain, and logically a mind. If used properly, you can do amazing
things
> > like find answers the questions you ask...look for god sake, using
> > your
> brain
> > won't kill you. Ok, maybe for some of you, using your brain/mind is
> > like
a
> > fighting for your life...and you know your always going to lose.
> >
> > For us un-numbered dreamers, we are working towards something and I
> > mean really working making progress and getting better in what we
> > know and
what
> we
> > want to know.
> >
> > Asking questions about RIDS and how they effect OSPF / BGP...read
> > the
damn
> > book or the web site. Don't what's not the lab? Find out by looking
> > -
not
> > asking. Can't understand something? Try harder, spend some time,
> > drink
> lime
> > juice or something. Er...what's OSPF? and why was BGP created? how
> > do I configure IPSEC and why does this happen?
> >
> > Maybe I need to relax and think like these people? what and be brain
> dead -
> > think I know something when I don't even remember my name? I think
> sometimes I
> > am stuck in game with no name. It's a shame really, I think seeing
> > the
> matrix
> > made me realise, maybe they were right and the matrix has forgotten
> > to
> give
> > some people the ability to think that they are thinking for
> > themselves. Remember those green letters coming down the screen?
> > Well, for some of
> you,
> > that was the brain you never had.
> >
> > Call me what you want, say what you want...and for the few lucky
> > few,
> think
> > what you want. I don't know everything but I know how to help myself
> > and learn, think using my god given brain.
> >
> > Ok, know you can delete this mail. Blame it on me being on PMT and
> > not spending enough time watching MTV.
> >
> > At the end, I was only thinking...spent way too much time typing
> > this
up,
> so I
> > see you when you get there...
> >
> > Jennifer_bellucci@hotmail.com
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