From: Minnick, Steve (sminnick@bcit.cc)
Date: Sat Feb 22 2003 - 16:30:35 GMT-3
Well said!
        -----Original Message----- 
        From: Chuck Church [mailto:ccie8776@rochester.rr.com] 
        Sent: Sat 2/22/2003 1:52 PM 
        To: Aaron Woody; CCIE LAB 
        Cc: 
        Subject: Re: My Original Email...
        
        
        I agree.  While the designated purpose of this list is to help people pass
        the CCIE lab, some of these off-topic discussions like the large OSPF design
        are good.  Do you just want to pass the lab, or do you want to be a highly
        knowledgeable networking professional?  I prefer the latter, and I hope most
        of you do as well.  The CCIE program does NOT teach you how to design a well
        thought-out network.  Knowing how to implement BVIs and virtual links in a 5
        router network is good for the lab, but designing a production network like
        that will have the people in TAC making fun of you.  I think to become a
        CCIE, you've got to have a desire to learn as much as you can about
        networking.  If you just want to learn the minimum, here's a better place to
        get certified: www.microsoft.com .  The nice part about email is it has a
        subject.  If I grow tired of a thread, I'll sort by subject and delete those
        right off the bat.  Keep in mind, this list caters to many people with a
        wide range of skills and backgrounds.  It's going to get off track a little
        at times.  But would I ever unsubscribe?  Never!
        
        Chuck Church
        CCIE #8776, MCNE, MCSE
        
        
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "Aaron Woody" <awoody@columbus.rr.com>
        To: "CCIE LAB" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
        Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 10:35 AM
        Subject: My Original Email...
        
        
	> I believe someone else was cussing in thread...
	>
	> I think the question about the OSPF 400+ was valid. There is a gray area
	> around this design and I wanted others opinion who had actually used OSPF
        in
	> this situation. This is a group of CCIE's and wannabes right? However, the
        1
	> million replies was the issue. The design questions I had were answered
	> within first 5 emails, but everyone continue to come up with answer not
	> relevant to my original criterion. If you actually read the email I sent
        it
	> indicated concerns beyond basic OSPF configuration. Also, look at the OSPF
	> without area 0 thread...his original question was lost very quickly
        because
	> everyone wants to come up with genius answers relevant or not. I am not so
	> bent on asking stupid questions about the lab, I am concerned with
        operation
	> of Protocols, etc. that will be in the lab. Most of this stuff can be
	> answered definitively reading a Doyle book or CCO.
	>
	> I thought you may need some clarification.
	>
	> Aaron...the guy who asked the "cluttering-up" design caveat question about
	> OSPF hub 400+
	>
	> [GroupStudy removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a
        name of winmail.dat]
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