From: Tony Schaffran (tschaffran@cconlinelabs.com)
Date: Thu Feb 13 2003 - 17:50:28 GMT-3
And just one other observation. If you have failed, or even passed, a lab
attempt and discuss something you had a problem with or something you did
not know, like you stated you have done, that might be considered a
violation of the NDA. I don't know, maybe that is just my opinion.
Good luck.
Tony Schaffran
Network Analyst
CCIE #11071
CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
NNCSS, NNCDS, CNE, MCSE
www.cconlinelabs.com
"Your #1 choice for Cisco rack rentals."
----- Original Message -----
From: "c ," <ccie1@hotmail.com>
To: <tschaffran@cconlinelabs.com>; <msnyder@revolutioncomputer.com>;
<ccie8776@rochester.rr.com>
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 12:06 PM
Subject: RE: It is my turn. CCIE #11071
> I think having a study group makes all the difference. Its great to ask
> other people about stuff you dont understand. One thing i would say though
> for people who pass the FIRST time.
>
> If you have done it on your own without ANY input from anyone else, thats
> truely demonstrats dilligant study habits, but i have yet to hear about
> someone who has passed the first time who didnt ask questions from someone
> else who has already passed or is in progress of passing.
>
> You mentioned about a study group, and one thing i have noticed about
> studying with other people (especially ones who have taken the lab) is you
> get input about what mistakes they have made and what to watch out for, as
a
> result, you can figure out where they went wrong and know how to configure
> something on the lab.
>
> I think thats "how" the first timers do it. By getting enough info about
> what to watch out for and knowing how to configure it. Its those people
who
> have taken the lab before that make other people successful in my opinion.
I
> have taken the lab twice now, and will be going for my third attempt in
> April. Other people who i have shared my experience with have passed their
> second or first time too, but thats not because I read to deeply into the
> topics, its because i explained where i had some confusion on the lab or
> didnt know how to do something and we all figured it out together. It just
> so happens they were given a similar scenerio that I had and knew how to
> configure it.
>
> Now, if only i can find someone who has passed the lab that understands
some
> of the other topics I had problems with. ;)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Tony Schaffran" <tschaffran@cconlinelabs.com>
> >Reply-To: "Tony Schaffran" <tschaffran@cconlinelabs.com>
> >To: "'Michael Snyder'" <msnyder@revolutioncomputer.com>, "'Chuck
> >Church'" <ccie8776@rochester.rr.com>
> >CC: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >Subject: RE: It is my turn. CCIE #11071
> >Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 21:03:44 -0800
> >
> >First off, thank you.
> >
> >Second, I have made an observation within our study group. This may
> >hold true for a number of people. There are a couple of people in our
> >group that are obviously very knowledgeable about all of the topics
> >covered in the CCIE certification. One took three times to pass and the
> >other has taken it five times and still does not have his number. It is
> >my feeling that these individuals have tried to read toooooo deep into
> >the requirements and over configured. Remember, they are testing your
> >knowledge of the technologies, not your design skills. All I did is
> >read the question and satisfy the requirement. I did not try to get
> >bonus points with any kind of fancy configs. I asked the proctor, there
> >is no extra credit. :) The lab I took was in no way to be considered
> >easy or less difficult. I credit my success to my dedication to
> >studies, my wife can attest to that, and knowing where to find what I
> >did not know on the documentation CD. If it is on the CD, why try to
> >memorize it?
> >
> >
> >Tony Schaffran
> >Network Analyst
> >CCIE #11071
> >CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
> >NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE
> >
> >www.cconlinelabs.com
> >Your #1 choice for online Cisco rack rentals.
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> >Michael Snyder
> >Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 8:16 PM
> >To: 'Chuck Church'
> >Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >Subject: RE: It is my turn. CCIE #11071
> >
> >I think we should burn first timers at the stake!
> >
> >Just kidding, congratulations on your number.
> >
> >Chuck, I've asked myself the same question.
> >
> >I think it's three factors that come into play.
> >
> >A) There are some very sharp people out there. When it comes to the
> >human brain, there's something to be said for raw processing power and
> >good memories.
> >
> >B) Not knowing too much and confusing the issues. I mean, if you only
> >know three ways of doing something, then chances are that at least one
> >of the ways is the answer the test requirement is looking for.
> >
> >What if you know five ways of during the same task? Now your odds of
> >getting the right answer drops. Don't forget each choice picked
> >snowballs from beginning of the lab to the end.
> >
> >Remember the email thread about low scores, I had the same problem on my
> >last attempt. My overall core knowledge should have been at least over
> >40%.
> >
> >What if you rule out the correct answer early on the test, because it's
> >a poor design choice? Real world expertise could hurt in this regard.
> >
> >C) Pure luck, studying the right things and getting the right test with
> >the right proctor.
> >
> >Sure Cisco tries to normalize these things, but what if the proctor
> >just got a speeding ticket two hours before he grades your lab? It goes
> >the other way too, what if he just spent a great weekend with his family
> >in the mountains?
> >
> >Also if Cisco is changing tests on a monthly basis, random factors alone
> >would tell us that not all of new tests could be of the same
> >difficultly.
> >
> >Some requirements cut and pasted into a new exam could complement other
> >requirements making the overall exam easier; while other requirements on
> >a different exam could conflict and make the overall exam harder.
> >Standing wave theory is popping into my mind here.
> >
> >Even the best proctors couldn't catch such things till they looked at
> >the statistical data for that exam! Which by that time a new batch of
> >tests is being used.
> >
> >Why couldn't a proctor gauge the total difficultly of an exam before
> >they use it? Simple, because when you rate something as easy or
> >difficult or very complicated, you are using yourself as the reference
> >point.
> >
> >What if you know the subject material completely? Now you don't have
> >that reference point anymore. Everything is somewhat easy from your
> >standpoint.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> >Chuck Church
> >Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 4:43 PM
> >To: Tony Schaffran; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >Subject: Re: It is my turn. CCIE #11071
> >
> >Congratulations. I don't know how you "First-Attempters" do it, but you
> >certainly got the preparation down pat.
> >
> >Chuck Church
> >CCIE #8776, MCNE, MCSE
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Tony Schaffran" <tschaffran@cconlinelabs.com>
> >To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 4:55 PM
> >Subject: It is my turn. CCIE #11071
> >
> >
> > > First of all, I would like to say thank you for all of the input on
> >this
> >list.
> > > Reading the problems and solutions and then trying them on my own has
> >given me
> > > great insight.
> > >
> > > Now for the path I have taken.
> > >
> > > 1. Many, many hours of hands on. You don't have to be fast, just
> >consistent.
> > >
> > > 2. I really liked the new IPexpert labs.
> > >
> > > 3. I learned the documentation CD inside and out. When I came across
> >an
> >issue
> > > I did not know, I knew exactly where to find it. One of my answers, I
> >took
> > > straight from an example.
> > >
> > > 4. Stay calm. If you come across an issue and you know it will not
> >affect
> > > further configuration, skip it and come back.
> > >
> > > 5. My personal touch. I kept track of each section and the points. I
> >marked
> > > the ones I truly believed I got correct. As soon as I hit 80%, the
> >rest
> >was
> > > buffer in case for some reason I missed a question I thought I
> >answered
> > > correctly.
> > >
> > > I know these are no real words of wisdom. I am a little in disbelief
> >at
> >the
> > > moment. This was my first attempt. All I really have to say is WOW!
> > >
> > > Thank you all again.
> > >
> > >
> > > Tony Schaffran
> > > Network Analyst
> > > CCIE #11071
> > > CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
> > > NNCSS, NNCDS, CNE, MCSE
> > >
> > > www.cconlinelabs.com
> > > "Your #1 choice for Cisco rack rentals."
> > > .
> >.
> >.
> >.
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