From: c , (ccie1@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu Feb 13 2003 - 20:17:04 GMT-3
Who said anything about compromising the lab? I can easily bring up a
scenerio that has a different ip scheme, different routers, and different
protocols, but the OBJECTIVE is still the same. The point is, getting
someone to figure out a particular scenerio that is similar to what may be
on the lab. You dont have to compromise or disclose any information on the
lab to achieve that goal.
>From: "Tony Schaffran" <tschaffran@cconlinelabs.com>
>Reply-To: "Tony Schaffran" <tschaffran@cconlinelabs.com>
>To: "c ," <ccie1@hotmail.com>,
><msnyder@revolutioncomputer.com>,<ccie8776@rochester.rr.com>
>CC: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>Subject: Re: It is my turn. CCIE #11071
>Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:43:14 -0800
>
>I cannot speak for other study groups, but our study group is held at the
>local cisco office with cisco employees attending and extra effort has been
>made not to compromise the content of the lab. We are very concerned about
>maintaining the integrity of the CCIE certification program. We do not
>want
>to be considered a CCIE mill.
>
>
>
>Tony Schaffran
>Network Analyst
>CCIE #11071
>CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
>NNCSS, NNCDS, CNE, MCSE
>
>www.cconlinelabs.com
>"Your #1 choice for Cisco rack rentals."
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "c ," <ccie1@hotmail.com>
>To: <tschaffran@cconlinelabs.com>; <msnyder@revolutioncomputer.com>;
><ccie8776@rochester.rr.com>
>Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 12:06 PM
>Subject: RE: It is my turn. CCIE #11071
>
>
> > I think having a study group makes all the difference. Its great to ask
> > other people about stuff you dont understand. One thing i would say
>though
> > for people who pass the FIRST time.
> >
> > If you have done it on your own without ANY input from anyone else,
>thats
> > truely demonstrats dilligant study habits, but i have yet to hear about
> > someone who has passed the first time who didnt ask questions from
>someone
> > else who has already passed or is in progress of passing.
> >
> > You mentioned about a study group, and one thing i have noticed about
> > studying with other people (especially ones who have taken the lab) is
>you
> > get input about what mistakes they have made and what to watch out for,
>as
>a
> > result, you can figure out where they went wrong and know how to
>configure
> > something on the lab.
> >
> > I think thats "how" the first timers do it. By getting enough info about
> > what to watch out for and knowing how to configure it. Its those people
>who
> > have taken the lab before that make other people successful in my
>opinion.
>I
> > have taken the lab twice now, and will be going for my third attempt in
> > April. Other people who i have shared my experience with have passed
>their
> > second or first time too, but thats not because I read to deeply into
>the
> > topics, its because i explained where i had some confusion on the lab or
> > didnt know how to do something and we all figured it out together. It
>just
> > so happens they were given a similar scenerio that I had and knew how to
> > configure it.
> >
> > Now, if only i can find someone who has passed the lab that understands
>some
> > of the other topics I had problems with. ;)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Tony Schaffran" <tschaffran@cconlinelabs.com>
> > >Reply-To: "Tony Schaffran" <tschaffran@cconlinelabs.com>
> > >To: "'Michael Snyder'" <msnyder@revolutioncomputer.com>, "'Chuck
> > >Church'" <ccie8776@rochester.rr.com>
> > >CC: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > >Subject: RE: It is my turn. CCIE #11071
> > >Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 21:03:44 -0800
> > >
> > >First off, thank you.
> > >
> > >Second, I have made an observation within our study group. This may
> > >hold true for a number of people. There are a couple of people in our
> > >group that are obviously very knowledgeable about all of the topics
> > >covered in the CCIE certification. One took three times to pass and
>the
> > >other has taken it five times and still does not have his number. It
>is
> > >my feeling that these individuals have tried to read toooooo deep into
> > >the requirements and over configured. Remember, they are testing your
> > >knowledge of the technologies, not your design skills. All I did is
> > >read the question and satisfy the requirement. I did not try to get
> > >bonus points with any kind of fancy configs. I asked the proctor,
>there
> > >is no extra credit. :) The lab I took was in no way to be considered
> > >easy or less difficult. I credit my success to my dedication to
> > >studies, my wife can attest to that, and knowing where to find what I
> > >did not know on the documentation CD. If it is on the CD, why try to
> > >memorize it?
> > >
> > >
> > >Tony Schaffran
> > >Network Analyst
> > >CCIE #11071
> > >CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
> > >NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE
> > >
> > >www.cconlinelabs.com
> > >Your #1 choice for online Cisco rack rentals.
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > >Michael Snyder
> > >Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 8:16 PM
> > >To: 'Chuck Church'
> > >Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > >Subject: RE: It is my turn. CCIE #11071
> > >
> > >I think we should burn first timers at the stake!
> > >
> > >Just kidding, congratulations on your number.
> > >
> > >Chuck, I've asked myself the same question.
> > >
> > >I think it's three factors that come into play.
> > >
> > >A) There are some very sharp people out there. When it comes to the
> > >human brain, there's something to be said for raw processing power and
> > >good memories.
> > >
> > >B) Not knowing too much and confusing the issues. I mean, if you only
> > >know three ways of doing something, then chances are that at least one
> > >of the ways is the answer the test requirement is looking for.
> > >
> > >What if you know five ways of during the same task? Now your odds of
> > >getting the right answer drops. Don't forget each choice picked
> > >snowballs from beginning of the lab to the end.
> > >
> > >Remember the email thread about low scores, I had the same problem on
>my
> > >last attempt. My overall core knowledge should have been at least over
> > >40%.
> > >
> > >What if you rule out the correct answer early on the test, because it's
> > >a poor design choice? Real world expertise could hurt in this regard.
> > >
> > >C) Pure luck, studying the right things and getting the right test with
> > >the right proctor.
> > >
> > >Sure Cisco tries to normalize these things, but what if the proctor
> > >just got a speeding ticket two hours before he grades your lab? It
>goes
> > >the other way too, what if he just spent a great weekend with his
>family
> > >in the mountains?
> > >
> > >Also if Cisco is changing tests on a monthly basis, random factors
>alone
> > >would tell us that not all of new tests could be of the same
> > >difficultly.
> > >
> > >Some requirements cut and pasted into a new exam could complement other
> > >requirements making the overall exam easier; while other requirements
>on
> > >a different exam could conflict and make the overall exam harder.
> > >Standing wave theory is popping into my mind here.
> > >
> > >Even the best proctors couldn't catch such things till they looked at
> > >the statistical data for that exam! Which by that time a new batch of
> > >tests is being used.
> > >
> > >Why couldn't a proctor gauge the total difficultly of an exam before
> > >they use it? Simple, because when you rate something as easy or
> > >difficult or very complicated, you are using yourself as the reference
> > >point.
> > >
> > >What if you know the subject material completely? Now you don't have
> > >that reference point anymore. Everything is somewhat easy from your
> > >standpoint.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > >Chuck Church
> > >Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 4:43 PM
> > >To: Tony Schaffran; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > >Subject: Re: It is my turn. CCIE #11071
> > >
> > >Congratulations. I don't know how you "First-Attempters" do it, but
>you
> > >certainly got the preparation down pat.
> > >
> > >Chuck Church
> > >CCIE #8776, MCNE, MCSE
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Tony Schaffran" <tschaffran@cconlinelabs.com>
> > >To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > >Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 4:55 PM
> > >Subject: It is my turn. CCIE #11071
> > >
> > >
> > > > First of all, I would like to say thank you for all of the input on
> > >this
> > >list.
> > > > Reading the problems and solutions and then trying them on my own
>has
> > >given me
> > > > great insight.
> > > >
> > > > Now for the path I have taken.
> > > >
> > > > 1. Many, many hours of hands on. You don't have to be fast, just
> > >consistent.
> > > >
> > > > 2. I really liked the new IPexpert labs.
> > > >
> > > > 3. I learned the documentation CD inside and out. When I came
>across
> > >an
> > >issue
> > > > I did not know, I knew exactly where to find it. One of my answers,
>I
> > >took
> > > > straight from an example.
> > > >
> > > > 4. Stay calm. If you come across an issue and you know it will not
> > >affect
> > > > further configuration, skip it and come back.
> > > >
> > > > 5. My personal touch. I kept track of each section and the points.
>I
> > >marked
> > > > the ones I truly believed I got correct. As soon as I hit 80%, the
> > >rest
> > >was
> > > > buffer in case for some reason I missed a question I thought I
> > >answered
> > > > correctly.
> > > >
> > > > I know these are no real words of wisdom. I am a little in
>disbelief
> > >at
> > >the
> > > > moment. This was my first attempt. All I really have to say is
>WOW!
> > > >
> > > > Thank you all again.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tony Schaffran
> > > > Network Analyst
> > > > CCIE #11071
> > > > CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
> > > > NNCSS, NNCDS, CNE, MCSE
> > > >
> > > > www.cconlinelabs.com
> > > > "Your #1 choice for Cisco rack rentals."
> > > > .
> > >.
> > >.
> > >.
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