From: Chris Home (clarson52@comcast.net)
Date: Fri Jan 03 2003 - 23:34:14 GMT-3
No, I am talking about several books from several Cisco courses that cost
around 2000.00 each from GlobalKnowledge. Not 50.00 books.
The thread will die when it dies. I will try to refrain from posting on the
topic after this for the sake of the group, but you could simply not read
posts with this subject line.
It is a good topic, it is important and relatively new to written material
for public consumption, and deserves carefull thought and discussion. I
agree this is not the most appropriate place but I for one want to voice my
opinoin that it is a crock and say it is bullocks since it was brought up.
Some companies are now sending shrinked wrapped books with the license on
the front stating that if you break the seal you agree to the license and if
you don't you must send the material back as it is the property of the
publisher. EVEN IF YOU NEVER ASKED FOR THE BOOK AND THEY JUST SENT IT TO YOU
IN THE MAIL (this happened with OmniCare sending PDR's to a bunch of Doctors
but fell apart in court).Do we have to read the EULA on the books we buy
now??
I would never pay 500.00 for something I cannot resell, trade or give away.
If you agree and want to, go for it, but what's next? Childrens books?
Learning to read books? Maybe we will have to sign license agreements before
our kids can open their school books next year. It's nuts.
I fully agree with Copyrights and non redistribution of copyrighted material
and material transfer agreements but licensing written material? Come on.
I wonder if people were actual prosecuted for breaking the agreement if they
would still purchase knowing they could never resell, give the material away
or even let someone else read or use the material without facing the
possibility of law suits, heavy fines or possibly jail time (for letting
too many people read the material ). Friggin ridiculous.
----- Original Message -----
From: "LoizosCisco" <david_steven2001@yahoo.com>
To: "Chris Home" <clarson52@comcast.net>; "Pratt, Jeremy" <JPratt@coh.org>;
"IPexpert, Inc." <groupstudy@ipexpert.net>; <Sam.MicroGate@usa.telekom.de>
Cc: <Ciscomonkey@aol.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>; <admin@groupstudy.com>;
<webmaster@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: deleted from group ---- THE END
> You are talking about a $50 book which can be resold
> as many time as you want. Workbooks are over $500.
>
> Let's end this right here.
>
>
>
> --- Chris Home <clarson52@comcast.net> wrote:
> > I just check my BCRAN, Installation and Maintanence,
> > CIT and old ACRC and
> > ICRC books from global knowledge and my recent ONS
> > 15454 book and no, none
> > of them say anything like that. They are not
> > licensed they are sold with the
> > course.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "LoizosCisco" <david_steven2001@yahoo.com>
> > To: "Pratt, Jeremy" <JPratt@coh.org>; "'Chris Home'"
> > <clarson52@comcast.net>; "IPexpert, Inc."
> > <groupstudy@ipexpert.net>;
> > <Sam.MicroGate@usa.telekom.de>
> > Cc: <Ciscomonkey@aol.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>;
> > <admin@groupstudy.com>;
> > <webmaster@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 7:56 PM
> > Subject: RE: deleted from group
> >
> >
> > > ANY professional workbook you buy it always states
> > in
> > > the agreement something like this:
> > >
> > > "The training Materials shall be used by only ONE
> > (1)
> > > INDIVIDUAL who shall be the sole individual
> > authorized
> > > to use the Training Material throughout the term
> > of
> > > this License"
> > >
> > > If you can find any Cisco workbook publisher that
> > does
> > > not state so then please let me know.
> > >
> > > People that are already using IPexp they know how
> > > professional they are. They invested a lot of time
> > and
> > > money to put together such a solid and incredible
> > > product and I do not think is right for some
> > people to
> > > violate their rights which are the same as
> > everyone
> > > else rights.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- "Pratt, Jeremy" <JPratt@coh.org> wrote:
> > > > Good point. I am waiting on IPexpert's response
> > as
> > > > to whether I purchase
> > > > their program. I have enough Microsucks licenses
> > to
> > > > deal with without having
> > > > to deal with this as well.
> > > >
> > > > Jeremy Pratt
> > > > Network Manager
> > > > CCNP, CCDP, CCSA, CCSE
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Chris Home [mailto:clarson52@comcast.net]
> > > > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 4:06 PM
> > > > To: IPexpert, Inc.; Sam.MicroGate@usa.telekom.de
> > > > Cc: Ciscomonkey@aol.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com;
> > > > admin@groupstudy.com;
> > > > webmaster@groupstudy.com
> > > > Subject: Re: deleted from group
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Let me get this straight. You license your book
> > to
> > > > people? Not sell it? If
> > > > you sold it then why can't a person review the
> > > > material with a study
> > > > partner? Is the forum part of the sale?
> > > >
> > > > If so, how can you kick someone out of your
> > forum
> > > > that they paid for simply
> > > > because they are sharing a book they bought with
> > > > someone else? If I buy a
> > > > book I can do whatever I want with it short of
> > > > copying it and redistributing
> > > > it. If that is what the guy did (copy and
> > > > distribute) shame on him. But if
> > > > you are trying to exclude him from a forum that
> > was
> > > > part of the sale on
> > > > something that is only copyrighted shame on
> > you!!!
> > > > He has every right to
> > > > share it, it is his, and I would be asking for a
> > > > full refund for buying
> > > > something that included a forum that you won't
> > let a
> > > > person participate in.
> > > > If you sold the forum with the book you are
> > > > obligated to provide it to him!!
> > > >
> > > > All this stuff about "well so and so has got to
> > make
> > > > money" is bull if it
> > > > falls outside the law. So I would again
> > question,
> > > > did you license your book
> > > > to him or sell it and is the forum part of the
> > sale?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "IPexpert, Inc." <groupstudy@ipexpert.net>
> > > > To: <Sam.MicroGate@usa.telekom.de>
> > > > Cc: <Ciscomonkey@aol.com>;
> > <ccielab@groupstudy.com>;
> > > > <admin@groupstudy.com>;
> > > > <webmaster@groupstudy.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 5:22 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: deleted from group
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Sorry to bother you all with this, but I was
> > > > asked to clarify this
> > > > > situation. The user "ciscomonkey" was deleted
> > > > from IPexpert's online
> > > > > technical support and download forum after
> > they
> > > > admitted to violating our
> > > > > licensing agreement. We have no control or
> > say
> > > > over what Paul does on
> > > > > groupstudy.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks! - Wayne
> > > > >
> > > > > Sam.MicroGate@usa.telekom.de writes:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Does IPExpert own this group or mail server?
> > If
> > > > yes, I did not know
> > > > that.
> > > > > > Also I do not think that IPExpert would do
> > that.
> > > > But you never know the
> > > > real
> > > > > > story. Any way, I have no time for this. I
> > got
> > > > to go back to study.....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sam
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Ciscomonkey@aol.com
> > > > [mailto:Ciscomonkey@aol.com]
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 1:37 PM
> > > > > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com;
> > > > admin@groupstudy.com;
> > > > webmaster@groupstudy.com
> > > > > > Subject: deleted from group
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I want to let everyone know that I got
> > deleted
> > > > by IP Expert from this
> > > > group
> > > > > > because I told them I had a study partner
> > and we
> > > > were sharing their
> > > > book. I
> > > > > > have since received harassing emails from
> > them
> > > > as well.
> > > > > > .
> > > > > .
> > > > .
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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