From: Chris Home (clarson52@comcast.net)
Date: Fri Jan 03 2003 - 23:36:19 GMT-3
Most copyrights simply restrict the ability to reprint or copy for
distribution. Licensing on the other hand can bind a person to all manner of
things.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Ezerski" <jezerski@broadcom.com>
To: "'kym blair'" <kymblair@hotmail.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Cc: <Ciscomonkey@aol.com>; <groupstudy@ipexpert.net>
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 8:38 PM
Subject: RE: deleted from group -- end this thread
> It seems any vendor of any product or service can write any agreement that
> they want, but does that make it legally binding? I could say "By reading
> this email you agree to swallow seven live toads while standing naked in
> your front yard. Failure to do so could result in severe penalties and
even
> death". Would that even stand up in court?
>
> I am not sure exactly what the law says on this matter as a whole, but I
do
> know that these words are included in copyright law:
>
> "to promote the progress of science and useful arts," so that "individuals
> will create and disseminate knowledge and ideas."
>
> Also, the fair use provision clearly states that non-profit educational
uses
> are permitted. I should also include that the "lending" of a copywritten
> work is not mentioned at all. I wonder how libraries, public or private,
> deal with the "lending" of millions of copywritten works on a daily basis.
>
> The purpose of this email is not a judgement of who is right or wrong, but
> perhaps the spirit of it sides with the general rights of the consumer.
>
> -Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
kym
> blair
> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 4:50 PM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Cc: Ciscomonkey@aol.com; groupstudy@ipexpert.net
> Subject: Re: deleted from group -- end this thread
>
>
> The cover of the IPexpert workbook says "this is an individually licensed
> product". The Agreement printed on page 3 says "cannot be used by or
> transferred to any other person. You may not rent, lease, loan, barter,
> sell or time-share the Training Materials or accompanying documentation."
>
> Ciscomonkey violated that license, wasn't prosecuted but was expelled from
> ipexpert's discussion list. He then tried to harm their business by
> complaining to all of us ... their most likely customers. He apologized
for
>
> his language, but not for stealing their product. At least his "partner"
> didn't join the discussion.
>
> Some of us think ipexpert went easy on the guy, and others think he did
> nothing wrong. Lets drop this duscussion and get back to studying.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: Chris Home <clarson52@comcast.net>
> >Reply-To: Chris Home <clarson52@comcast.net>
> >To: "IPexpert, Inc." <groupstudy@ipexpert.net>,
> >Sam.MicroGate@usa.telekom.de
> >CC: Ciscomonkey@aol.com, ccielab@groupstudy.com, admin@groupstudy.com,
>
> > webmaster@groupstudy.com
> >Subject: Re: deleted from group
> >Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 19:06:07 -0500
> >
> >Let me get this straight. You license your book to people? Not sell it?
> >If you sold it then why can't a person review the material with a study
> >partner? Is the forum part of the sale?
> >
> >If so, how can you kick someone out of your forum that they paid for
> >simply because they are sharing a book they bought with someone else?
> >If I buy a book I can do whatever I want with it short of copying it
> >and redistributing it. If that is what the guy did (copy and
> >distribute) shame on him. But if you are trying to exclude him from a
> >forum that was part of the sale on something that is only copyrighted
> >shame on you!!! He has every right to share it, it is his, and I would
> >be asking for a full refund for buying something that included a forum
> >that you won't let a person participate in. If you sold the forum with
> >the book you are obligated to provide it to him!!
> >
> >All this stuff about "well so and so has got to make money" is bull if
> >it falls outside the law. So I would again question, did you license
> >your book to him or sell it and is the forum part of the sale?
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "IPexpert, Inc." <groupstudy@ipexpert.net>
> >To: <Sam.MicroGate@usa.telekom.de>
> >Cc: <Ciscomonkey@aol.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>;
> ><admin@groupstudy.com>;
> ><webmaster@groupstudy.com>
> >Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 5:22 PM
> >Subject: Re: deleted from group
> >
> >
> > > Sorry to bother you all with this, but I was asked to clarify this
> > > situation. The user "ciscomonkey" was deleted from IPexpert's
> > > online technical support and download forum after they admitted to
> > > violating
> >our
> > > licensing agreement. We have no control or say over what Paul does
> > > on groupstudy.
> > >
> > > Thanks! - Wayne
> > >
> > > Sam.MicroGate@usa.telekom.de writes:
> > >
> > > > Does IPExpert own this group or mail server? If yes, I did not
> > > > know
> >that.
> > > > Also I do not think that IPExpert would do that. But you never
> > > > know
> >the
> >real
> > > > story. Any way, I have no time for this. I got to go back to
> >study.....
> > > >
> > > > Sam
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Ciscomonkey@aol.com [mailto:Ciscomonkey@aol.com]
> > > > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 1:37 PM
> > > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com; admin@groupstudy.com;
> >webmaster@groupstudy.com
> > > > Subject: deleted from group
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I want to let everyone know that I got deleted by IP Expert from
> > > > this
> >group
> > > > because I told them I had a study partner and we were sharing
> > > > their
> >book. I
> > > > have since received harassing emails from them as well.
> > > > .
> > > .
> >.
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